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Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:05 am to Corndawg
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If we can't stretch the field against North Tx, I DON'T CARE IF WE WERE HOLDING BACK, then were not going to be able to do it when it matters just like last year
What is your evidence that "we can't stretch the field against North Tx"? We didn't really try, so how does that mean we can't?
If you disagree with the coach's strategy not to do it against North Texas when we didn't need it, then fine. I can agree that there would be some benefit to letting Mett get some work throwing downfield more. But I can also see the value in not throwing everything we've got at the first cupcake. That's simply a strategy decision and I certainly don't know enough about the situation to say the coaches are wrong. Do you?
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We need game speed practice on it and I just can't wrap my head around it that we refuse to work on it with these powder puff type teams.
Just because we, who don't make our livings coaching, can't wrap our heads around it doesn't mean it's wrong. The proof is in the results. If we go forward into the season and are unable to develop the downfield threat that we want and our offense isn't as effective as we want, then yes, we can say that whatever the coaches were thinking didn't work. But until that happens, we really aren't in a position to second guess.
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this sideline passing shite is going to be a problem.
We used to run those swing passes and bubble screens all the time with Rohan and Reed and it worked really well. I don't think we can just assume that it's a problem. We've got great speed on the outside with our wideouts. We've got a good run blocking line with great running backs. The outside swing passes/bubble screens can spread the defense and force them to respect the outside threat, which in turn can open up opportunities to run inside. It might also discourage opponents from doing a lot of safety and corner blitzes. Again, I'm not an expert at this, but it seems like a valid way to spread the defense and create room for our running game to operate.
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BS cliche' comments about it being the 1st game, hurricane, and North Tx
The reason things become "cliche`" is that they get said a lot. Frequently, the reason they get said a lot is because they are valid and true. Our offense looked absolutely vanilla against Mississippi State in the 2007 season opener, then went on to be one of the most effective offenses in our history. In 2003, we were not at all impressive offensively against ULM in the opener, but ended up with a great offense. The first game is not the story of the whole season, especially when it's against a cupcake that we can blow out without having to be creative.
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I've gotten to watch a few practices and that sideways offense is what they are doing there as well.... Thoughts?
I don't know what they're doing in practice or what percentage of practice time you've been able to watch, so I can't tell you what, if anything, is going to be different as the season progresses. All I can say is that, in the first game, Mettenberger looked like a better passer than Jefferson or Lee, but also looked like a first-time starter at times with his reading of the defense and the protections, and a poor decision and throw on the interception.
I didn't see anything in the North Texas game to get really upset about.
This post was edited on 9/4/12 at 9:25 am
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:08 am to Corndawg
Alabama ran the same play several times against Michigan. Nothing wrong with that play.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:08 am to BeachDude022
I searched Sideways passes and swing passes and nothing came up... If you don't want to talk about it again don't look at the post... IDGAF
I'm not on here a lot
Scared of Bama, yes after watching them and LSU play Sat...
500+ yards of offense is great but it still doesn't help us work on our passing game when you don't work on pushing the ball down field. For all of you guru's that claim to understand football because you're really good at Madden, you would think you would understand that when you know you can physically dominate a team like NT that's when you work on the things you don't do very well and use what you do to get the game in hand and finish it off. We haven't had a passing game since 08 and it's about time to start to try to develope it while we have a guy that can throw it.
I'm not on here a lot
Scared of Bama, yes after watching them and LSU play Sat...
500+ yards of offense is great but it still doesn't help us work on our passing game when you don't work on pushing the ball down field. For all of you guru's that claim to understand football because you're really good at Madden, you would think you would understand that when you know you can physically dominate a team like NT that's when you work on the things you don't do very well and use what you do to get the game in hand and finish it off. We haven't had a passing game since 08 and it's about time to start to try to develope it while we have a guy that can throw it.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:15 am to Corndawg
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I'm not a negatiger just curious as to why we refuse to stretch the field, I've gotten to watch a few practices and that sideways offense is what they are doing there as well.... Thoughts?
The zone read should be kept to a minimum as well, but Les seems to love it. I guess he wants to keep it in for when we have that Cam Newton type of QB back there.
I think that you just have to accept that certain things are not going to change under Les. History just repeats itself. The main hope I have for this year is that Mett (when not concussed) and Rivers may have the talent to make any system look good. We already know how incredible the RB's are and OBJ looks like he took a big step up from last year... which was pretty good already.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:17 am to Corndawg
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that's when you work on the things you don't do very well
downfield throws looked pretty good the other night, his last 3 throws went for 30+ yards. Perhaps the bubble screen is what needs work...hence the number of times they ran it.
In reality though, you had 2 issues at work...1) corners were giving a ton of cushion and 2) after Mett got drilled, keep him out of harms way.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:18 am to mmcgrath
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The zone read should be kept to a minimum as well
Admittedly I had quite a bit to drink Sat night...but I don't remember the zone read being ran at all
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:24 am to Corndawg
we will open it up a bit more against UW.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:27 am to Corndawg
Same type pass plays that were being called for J. Lee his first year. Didnt take long for defenses to figure him out and start jumping the routes and getting pick 6s
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:42 am to Corndawg
Ok... here's the deal. The coaches could be doing this purposefully. But I'm guessing you've never been a coach.
If you watch the bubble screen that Shep drops, both the corner and safety bite hard and rush the LOS.... Wright could have strolled into the endzone if he wanted to.
If you watch the bubble screen that Shep drops, both the corner and safety bite hard and rush the LOS.... Wright could have strolled into the endzone if he wanted to.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:44 am to sunnydaze
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Already been discussed, brah
+1
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:49 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Same type pass plays that were being called for J. Lee his first year. Didnt take long for defenses to figure him out and start jumping the routes and getting pick 6s
Thanks for mentioning this. I remember the secondary jumping on a lot of the lateral passes but just missing them.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:55 am to Mahootney
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But I'm guessing you've never been a coach.
Never on the D1 level but HS yes...
Again people can say what they want about it being NT and not wanting to open it up but we did the same thing last year and it bit us in the arse... But I guess I shouldn't try to predict the future by looking at the past, silly me.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:56 am to Nuts4LSU
Holy shite. I just agreed with everything Nuts4LSU just said.
What is the world coming to now?
Short 2 years ago, Miles was the worst coach in college football....and now....
What is the world coming to now?
Short 2 years ago, Miles was the worst coach in college football....and now....
Posted on 9/4/12 at 9:58 am to Prominentwon
I blame EA Sports for the deterioration of the average football IQ.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 10:00 am to Corndawg
We HAVE to be able to force the safeties to leave the box. Otherwise, Aub, FL, SC, A&M, Bama will pack 8 men in there forcing us out of our comfort zone. See Jan 9, 2012.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 10:04 am to Mahootney
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But I'm guessing you've never been a coach.
Sorry. It is so easy for us little people to forget that we are talking to so many posters who have won many an imaginary championship.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 10:04 am to Corndawg
quote:Well, we all played HS ball, not quite the same as D1 is it?
Never on the D1 level but HS yes...
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500+ yards of offense is great
Yes it is.
quote:Only one game... to a team we already beat. If the resutls were the other way around.... what would you be saying then?
but we did the same thing last year and it bit us in the arse...
quote:Correct.
But I guess I shouldn't try to predict the future of this team by looking at the past Quarterbacks and Offenses... Silly me.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 10:08 am to mmcgrath
quote:It's ok... happens all the time.
Sorry. It is so easy for us little people to forget that we are talking to so many posters who have won many an imaginary championship.
I'm glad to see you accept your intellectual serfdom.
Posted on 9/4/12 at 10:09 am to mmcgrath
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Thanks for mentioning this. I remember the secondary jumping on a lot of the lateral passes but just missing them.
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If you watch the bubble screen that Shep drops, both the corner and safety bite hard and rush the LOS.... Wright could have strolled into the endzone if he wanted to.
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