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re: Strength and conditioning discussion
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:44 pm to lakelanier
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:44 pm to lakelanier
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we have been pushed around plenty by physically prepared teams.
That's a nice point. But you also have to consider the maturity level of the opposition. That mass exit a few years back really set us back.
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:53 pm to colors_of_kings
The injuries seem to be joint and bone injuries. It's a contact sport with big people and these injuries will happen. Sometimes the athletes are so strong that the joints can't sustain their strength. I think back to Bo Jackson being so strong that he pulled his leg out of his hip joint while being tackled.
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:59 pm to colors_of_kings
I read an article before the 2014 season that since the helmet to helmet contact rule, the coaches are coaching tackling low with greater fervor. Some hypothesize this has caused an increase in leg injuries. There has been a noticeable increase in these type of injuries since the rule has been in place.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:01 pm to colors_of_kings
If they use grass mixed with turf or just turf, seems that causes injuries. Foot stays in one place, rest of body keeps moving. Those would be more if non contact injuries.
Like poster said above, it could be coaches teaching to tackle lower.
Like poster said above, it could be coaches teaching to tackle lower.
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:13 pm to colors_of_kings
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Why are we having so many leg injuries at the start of this season? Is there something the team is doing differently this season or off-season they didn't do in the past?
This is a very legit question. I was wondering the same thing. I noticed when Boom was a UF he would have 5-6 ACL's a year and most on his DL guys. I figured it might have something to do with the drills they were running. I think he has had a couple already this season too at USCe.
This is by far the worst spate of knee injuries we have seen for many years.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:21 pm to colors_of_kings
It's football. Wisconsin has had 6 starters injured since August drills started.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:49 pm to colors_of_kings
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I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:56 pm to colors_of_kings
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What's your opinion on joint injuries? Is there something that you've noticed over the years that can contribute to more or less of these type injuries?
drinking more milk. I had this cat that drank a shite ton of milk and never had any joint injuries
Posted on 8/21/16 at 7:58 pm to colors_of_kings
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Thanks Schmelly, What's your opinion on joint injuries? Is there something that you've noticed over the years that can contribute to more or less of these type injuries
Simply speaking, Keep the mobile joints mobile & the joints with all the shite that tears & blows will be happy. From your fingers to your toes, ur joints alternate in their responsibility between being designed for mobility or stability. Lumbar spine for example is designed for stability. Above it u have the T-spine, below it the hips. Hips get immobile(imagine an old man shuffling his feet to walk), Tspine get kyphotic (sitting at a desk all day everyday), the lumbar is forced to move in extreme movements. At some point "Extreme" could be bending over to tie your shoes.
With knees & football, it could be an old ankle injury that cost some ROM in that ankle. Ankle doesn't move properly, it puts more pressure on the knee. Eventually, pow.
When I'm training a group(which is hardly ever anymore), I'll design a general mobility protocol. Then I'll make separate, more in depth ankle, hip, t-spine & shoulder protocols. If you're limited in one, u get that thrown on top of the general. That also rules u out of the corresponding movements that that joint limits. In other words, if u can't keep your heels on the ground when u do a BW squat, u sure as hell aren't putting a barbell on your shoulders
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 8:06 pm to PapaZulu
quote:they aren't taking each other's knees out in fall practice, man.
I read an article before the 2014 season that since the helmet to helmet contact rule, the coaches are coaching tackling low with greater fervor. Some hypothesize this has caused an increase in leg injuries. There has been a noticeable increase in these type of injuries since the rule has been in place.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 10:35 pm to CypressTrout10
Well I mean being in shape has nothing to do with tearing an acl or breaking a bone
Posted on 8/21/16 at 10:55 pm to PapaZulu
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I read an article before the 2014 season that since the helmet to helmet contact rule, the coaches are coaching tackling low with greater fervor. Some hypothesize this has caused an increase in leg injuries. There has been a noticeable increase in these type of injuries since the rule has been in place.
Not doubting you read this, but whoever wrote it doesn't understand the concept of leverage.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 4:24 am to colors_of_kings
i always laugh when we get more than one injury at a time and people start blaming Moffitt. Do you really believe injuries can't occur to more than one person in a matter of days, or every time should it just be one injured person?
My God this is one of the most injury prone sports around. LSU has been lucky for a good while in not having multiple guys getting injuried in practice. The majority of our injuries occur during the season and it was a shock to lose starter Mills last year before the start of the season because it rarely occurs.
My God this is one of the most injury prone sports around. LSU has been lucky for a good while in not having multiple guys getting injuried in practice. The majority of our injuries occur during the season and it was a shock to lose starter Mills last year before the start of the season because it rarely occurs.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 6:36 am to colors_of_kings
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I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
Being limber helps with injuries in big ways(Example: injuries occur when things are bent to far or wrong way and when you are limber and stretched greatly then your body is able too stretch and bend more so than others)...the 07 team that won the NC all did yoga as part of there practice....and we didnt have near the injuries that year if i recall...i always said it should be something we did every year...
one other example is...put a rubber band in the freezer over night...let it freeze and then stretch it and see how far it stretches vs a rubberband that isnt frozen
Posted on 8/22/16 at 6:54 am to TigerStripes30
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.the 07 team that won the NC all did yoga as part of there practice
No they didn't. Yoga is an off season exercise routine, and that team had plenty of injuries: Dorsey, Doucet, Flynn, etc.
ETA: And I would know, I was on the team.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 6:57 am
Posted on 8/22/16 at 6:58 am to texastiger38
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ETA: And I would know, I was on the team.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:48 am to colors_of_kings
It can also be because Chavis like to recruit smallish lineman never wanting to quote " sacrifice speed for size" aTm will soon reap the benefits of that philosophy.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:28 am to texastiger38
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No they didn't. Yoga is an off season exercise routine, and that team had plenty of injuries: Dorsey, Doucet, Flynn, etc. ETA: And I would know, I was on the team.
Bingo! I think we're on to something here.
They do yoga offseason which is designed to promote elasticity, then they go full on aggressive first few weeks of fall and get injured because the ligaments, tendons, muscles surrounding the joints are loose, when they should be tightly wound to support vigorous speed and torque.
81 downvoters and counting mind's just got blown!
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:32 am to colors_of_kings
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They do yoga offseason which is designed to promote elasticity, then they go full on aggressive first few weeks of fall and get injured because the ligaments, tendons, muscles surrounding the joints are loose, when they should be tightly wound to support vigorous speed and torque.
Do what? You stretch before any strenuous activity to loosen up all joints and ligaments. By your logic then the team should never stretch to keep everything as tight as possible.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:40 am to colors_of_kings
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Bingo! I think we're on to something here.
Negative. I was just pointing out yoga isn't done during the season with any regularity, just not enough hours in the day for it.
It sucks that some key players were injured, but there's really no rhyme or reason to it. It's a violent sport and sometimes guys get hurt, it has absolutely nothing to do with the S&C work.
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hen they go full on aggressive first few weeks of fall and get injured because the ligaments, tendons, muscles surrounding the joints are loose, when they should be tightly wound to support vigorous speed and torque.
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 8:41 am
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