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Story I heard from former LSU player about the Miles -> Crowton relationship.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:24 am
I know it's only in our best interest to hope that Crowton was the bad man and that our offense will improve dramatically with Krags... but, the other day when I was talking about LSU's offense, a former player was basically saying that "the play calling won't change..." i.e. Krag better be THAT much better of a QB coach / play designer... b/c Miles will still be choosing which plays are called..
On to the story. Gary Crowton kept a running list of every time that he called a play, and then Miles changed it. During one of their end season meetings, Crowton brought it up and Miles thought it was an insignificant number, but then Crowton pulled out his sheet and Miles couldn't believe it as it aparently happened almost every drive every game.
On to the story. Gary Crowton kept a running list of every time that he called a play, and then Miles changed it. During one of their end season meetings, Crowton brought it up and Miles thought it was an insignificant number, but then Crowton pulled out his sheet and Miles couldn't believe it as it aparently happened almost every drive every game.
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Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:27 am to EricB
the plays weren't the problem. the execution was.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:27 am to EricB
What would be more interesting would be whether he kept a running total of average yards per play called by each coach. Then, I could assess whether this means anything.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:28 am to EricB
I heard that every time Miles changed the play it was because Crowton called an option to the short side.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:28 am to EricB
If my offensive coordinator kept throwing the ball with Jarrett Lee in besides rushing with Scott and Williams, led the 112th ranked offense in the country, below the likes of Tulane, Vanderbilt, and Rice, and then led a passing attack ranked dead last in the SEC, yeah I would get more involved too.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:28 am to EricB
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Krag better be THAT much better of a QB coach
He is.. and he is much more intense which hopefully helps
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:29 am to Tigerpaul1969
Krags is here more as a QB coach. The offensive sets are largely Miles......and have been.
Still, looking back at Crowton's track record of beginning strong and fading due to opponent's increased familiarity is hard to ignore.
Still, looking back at Crowton's track record of beginning strong and fading due to opponent's increased familiarity is hard to ignore.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:31 am to EricB
Ive heard this from numerous ex players and also believe it
it doesnt matter what you say about this topic though...
basically everyone on this board believes/ed that Crowton was the problem
it doesnt matter what you say about this topic though...
basically everyone on this board believes/ed that Crowton was the problem
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:31 am to lsuman242
Krags was brought it to be another yes sir guy. Similar to the relationship Saban has with whoever is the def. cood of the team he coaches.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:32 am to Walt OReilly
quote:his lack of developing a QB was the problem.
basically everyone on this board believes/ed that Crowton was the problem
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:32 am to EricB
Perhaps won't feel the need to override the plays if said plays aren't crappy. Just a thought.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:33 am to Acreboy
I wont argue that 
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:34 am to EricB
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Crowton brought it up and Miles thought it was an insignificant number, but then Crowton pulled out his sheet and Miles couldn't believe it as it aparently happened almost every drive every game.
Probably because Crowton draws up some cutesy bullshite plays, and when the offense is in a must-convert situation, Miles doesn't like to get cute.
This is Crowton's problem in a nutshell. He spends too much time drawing up BS plays, and not enough time teaching the QB how to execute them.
Krags is a better QB tutor, and his offensive philosophy fits much better with Miles' (run and throw deep).
This post was edited on 6/16/11 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:35 am to EricB
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This post was edited on 7/10/11 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:36 am to Acreboy
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the execution was.
How long does it take to realize Jordan Jefferson isn't going to be successful on the short-side option keeper?
You're right. He can't execute it. So WHY do you keep calling it?
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:38 am to GFunk
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You're right. He can't execute it. So WHY do you keep calling it?
This is another of Crowton's big problems. Take Jarrett Lee in 2008, for instance. Most of the pick sixes came on the short stuff. That is not what Lee is good at. He wasn't a finesse passer then, and it still isn't now. He has a cannon, so let him throw the ball deep.
But no, Crowton has to dink and dunk and count on our athleticism for extra yards. Doesn't matter that the QB sucks at that.
This post was edited on 6/16/11 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:40 am to GFunk
i feel sorry for the people watching the game with me the first time i see JJ run the SSO!
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:43 am to peopleschamp
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Miles is the head coach. Anything that he allows on his watch is his responsibility. Crowton did what he did with Miles watching over him. Miles allowed this offensive display to happen for 2 years.
Coordinators have responsibilities too. They're paid alot of money to run the offense/defense. Its the HCs job to fire them if they don't do their job well.....which Miles did. Except most people think he waited a year too long with Crowton.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:44 am to TxTiger82
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Krags is a better QB tutor, and his offensive philosophy fits much better with Miles' (run and throw deep).
...And throw deep off the play-action for God sakes! How many times did everyone on here pull their hair out with the predictability of when we were going to throw the ball?
I can't wait to see us line up in the I-formation on 2nd and 7 and use play action to Rueben Randle over the middle. I'm thoroughly convinced that just more use of play-action will result in a huge statistical improvement.
JJ was in shotgun nearly every damn time we had to pass, and the defense rushed seven.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:45 am to Party At LSU
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And throw deep off the play-action for God sakes!
I'm trying to remember if Crowton ever called a play-action pass while he was here. If he did it wasn't often.
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