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re: So....Lael Collins got completely screwed during the draft...right?
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:24 am to USARMYDasher
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:24 am to USARMYDasher
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Dallas pulled this off and did it in the classiest way possible. Gave him his own press conference to welcome him like he should have had. Gave him a short contract that way should he perform well he can get big money after instead of a low paying long contract. He'll be fine. Especially since he gets to play with a chip on his shoulder. He was the legitimate steal of the draft.
Agreed. Didn't expect that from Dallas. They earned my respect for doing that.
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Also Yeldon was a steal at Jacksonville even though he was in the second round. He'll have an Lacy/Rice career minus domestic assault.
Yea maybe Rice today.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:33 am to idlewatcher
Jerry Jones paid off every owner and GM in the NFL along with the commissioner , so he could get Collins as a free agent.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 12:00 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
The Saints really dropped the ball. They should have taken him in the 3rd round instead of a backup QB they don't need right now. Collins would be starting at guard right now. Lelito is subpar. Really, really dumb.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 12:04 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Let's all remember that a woman and her baby died. The NFL and a football player's millions of dollars are not more important than her life. The BRPD did what they had to do, even though it wasn't popular. It sucks for Lael because he seems like a great kid on and off the field, but it was important for the police to not look on him any differently because of who he is.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 12:19 pm to ZBeaux10
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It sucks for Lael because he seems like a great kid on and off the field, but it was important for the police to not look on him any differently because of who he is.
It seems to me they treated him differently because he was a soon-to-be NFL player. The investigators showed their hand to the media early and lots of the stuff that came out was obviously false.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 12:32 pm to The Baker
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He got screwed out of millions.
Maybe initially, but I think he'll make out better this way in the long run. He basically got to pick the team he plays for. He'll ride out his rookie contract then get paid on his next one. And as much as I hate to say this, he probably has a better shot of winning a Super Bowl in Dallas than he did if he would have been drafted anywhere in the top 10 of the draft last year.
This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:16 pm to therick711
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Please don't ever do what atltiger6487 says because you think it will "clear your name" or it is what "innocent people do." Get good advice and follow it. That's how the system is supposed to work.
You're wordsmithing my post. Yes, the police may not technically "clear" someone, but they certainly can eliminate them as a suspect. Same difference, at least as far as La'el and the draft is concerned.
As I posted months ago, if my wife was murdered and the police want to talk to me (and if I'm innocent), I will talk to them anywhere, anyplace, anytime because (1) I am innocent and (2) I want to help them find the real killer, and (3) I realize it's sensible for them to talk to those people close to the victim.
In La'el's case, he had at least some prior relationship with the victim, so it's reasonable the police want to talk to him, among others. Also (and this is the huge one), he had a massive life-changing event coming up that week where he was assured of becoming a multi-millionaire, if he could convince the NFL teams that he wasn't involved in the murder.
If he was innocent, he should've done ANYTHING (virtually) to show the NFL teams that he was innocent. I would be jumping up and down proclaiming my innocence, and talking to anyone that would listen, and that includes the police and the press.
I will agree with you to this extent - if there was a complicating factor or strange coincidence that La'el knew about (maybe he argued with the victim recently or maybe the kid was his) that might seem to give him a motive, then of course I'd be more careful when speaking to the police. But short of that - I'm talking to them.
And I'd be a multi-millionaire right now.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:19 pm to Cap Crunch
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Its pretty fricked up that the NFL didn't let him pull out of the draft to clear his name and apply for the supplemental draft
That was the real low point in all of that.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:21 pm to atltiger6487
Again, I implore anyone with a serious legal issue not to do this. This is not how things like this are handled. Giving statement after statement is a terrible idea. I know what you're saying, and I'm not trying to beat up on you, but basically what you are advocating is the dumbest thing anyone can do. You're worried about a shot at millions with a downside of being charged with first degree murder because you think you are "helping."
For those that are curious as to why, please watch the video I posted on the last page, and realize that you aren't helping anything by making uninformed statements to the police. Always remember, you have no idea what you are being questioned for and what statements may be unwittingly inculpatory.
For those that are curious as to why, please watch the video I posted on the last page, and realize that you aren't helping anything by making uninformed statements to the police. Always remember, you have no idea what you are being questioned for and what statements may be unwittingly inculpatory.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:21 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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Your right about the burglary case though, but BRPD isn't the responsible party here. They don't pick and choose what the media prints or shows.
DNA testing 50 pairs of shoes for a Tigerland bar fight though?
This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:34 pm to therick711
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Giving statement after statement is a terrible idea.
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Always remember, you have no idea what you are being questioned for and what statements may be unwittingly inculpatory.
I never implied that someone should give interview after interview after interview with the police. Meet with them, answer their questions, and then move on. If they keep wanting to follow up (more than seems appropriate), that would raise a red flag.
Remember that I'm talking to the police only if I'm completely innocent. If something is "unwittingly inculpatory" doesn't that mean that the person may have some connection to the crime?
Again, I'm not a naive fool. I understand that people can get railroaded. But all of my comments have been predicated on that assumption that La'el is completely innocent with no recent connection whatsoever to the victim. If that's not the case, then yes, of course more care should be taken when dealing with the police.
And again, the biggest reason I think La'el should've talked to the police asap is that he was trying to get drafted and become a multi-millionaire. That's a massive factor in all of this.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:44 pm to atltiger6487
La el passed a lie detector test; most attorneys won't let completely innocent clients take tests administered by cops because cops so often have an agenda.
The cops say the little girl mentioned Lael which leads me to believe that someone planted that information in that little girls mind, because La'el was nowhere near that apt.
La'el did what his advisors told him to do.
Goodell refused to take Les Miles calls about La'el;what a toad.
The cops say the little girl mentioned Lael which leads me to believe that someone planted that information in that little girls mind, because La'el was nowhere near that apt.
La'el did what his advisors told him to do.
Goodell refused to take Les Miles calls about La'el;what a toad.
This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:47 pm to TigerJeff
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The Saints really dropped the ball. They should have taken him in the 3rd round instead of a backup QB they don't need right now. Collins would be starting at guard right now. Lelito is subpar. Really, really dumb.
This has been explained to you I don't know how many times. Offensive line looked fantastic saturday.
Let it go
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:49 pm to LosLobos111
The agent didn't screw him although it seemed that way initially.
There was nothing the agent could do but keeping him out of the draft once he fell out of first round ended up being the best move for his client.
The timing of the BRPD questioning and wanting to question him made it impossible for Collins or the agent to clear his name and no team was going to waste a first round pick not having total confirmation.
There was nothing the agent could do but keeping him out of the draft once he fell out of first round ended up being the best move for his client.
The timing of the BRPD questioning and wanting to question him made it impossible for Collins or the agent to clear his name and no team was going to waste a first round pick not having total confirmation.
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:53 pm to nicholastiger
Exactly
I really feel bad for him but it worked out fine and it all moved on.
I wish SOME would do the same
I really feel bad for him but it worked out fine and it all moved on.
I wish SOME would do the same
This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:55 pm to atltiger6487
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Remember that I'm talking to the police only if I'm completely innocent. If something is "unwittingly inculpatory" doesn't that mean that the person may have some connection to the crime?
Actually it doesn't. There is an ENTIRE video explaining this.
Here is an example, you are beating down the door of the police and answering all of their questions on the advice of atltiger6487 because REASONS (such as that is what innocent people do). You speak to Detective Farnsworth and he mentions that the victim was shot. He leaves and Detective Trenton comes in and you begin begging him to clear you. You say, "I didn't shoot that poor woman, I've never even owned a gun, I wouldn't shoot anyone." All of those statements are 100% true.
Detective Trenton talks to Detective Farnsworth. Farnsworth asks him if anything strange came up in your interview. He says it was weird that you kept talking about a shooting since no one ever told you that she was the victim of a shooter. Farnsworth doesn't remember casually remarking about that to you. Guess what you've just done? That statement was inculpatory and you didn't know it, and THAT is why you don't beat their doors down and answer all of their questions without getting good advice and doing your own due diligence.
At trial, the DA will call Trenton, and he will testify to the question, was there anything strange about your interview with atl that he brought up a shooting before that information was released and that the only way atl could have known that information was if he had participated in some way.
This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 8/24/15 at 2:09 pm to therick711
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That statement was inculpatory and you didn't know it, and THAT is why you don't beat their doors down and answer all of their questions without getting good advice and doing your own due diligence.
At trial, the DA will call Trenton, and he will testify to the question, was there anything strange about your interview with atl that he brought up a shooting before that information was released and that the only way atl could have known that information was if he had participated in some way.
Good grief. La'el knew what the questioning was about and (I'm assuming) knew the basic facts surrounding her murder.
And please, if your hypothetical case goes to trial, it would take one hell of a lot more than merely the guy saying "that poor woman."
Posted on 8/24/15 at 2:12 pm to atltiger6487
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Good grief. La'el knew what the questioning was about and (I'm assuming) knew the basic facts surrounding her murder.
And please, if your hypothetical case goes to trial, it would take one hell of a lot more than merely the guy saying "that poor woman."
Well, all I can tell you is if you are ever on the periphery of a criminal investigation, you're going to be the last guy to be dismissed from suspicion because your strategy is naive, dumb, and dangerous. I could bury you under case citations where people got convicted of crimes they didn't commit because they thought like you do that innocent people give statements to the police without "lawyering up."
Posted on 8/24/15 at 2:14 pm to speechles
No he won't never make it up Dallas probably told him they would on his next contract but that won't happen !
Posted on 8/24/15 at 2:15 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Yeh dont do this. Unfortunately, alot of detetives and DAs arent looking for the killer, they are looking for someone they can convict of the killing.
As I posted months ago, if my wife was murdered and the police want to talk to me (and if I'm innocent), I will talk to them anywhere, anyplace, anytime because (1) I am innocent and (2) I want to help them find the real killer, and (3) I realize it's sensible for them to talk to those people close to the victim.
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