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Recruiting Class Myth
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:26 am
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:26 am
So many here obsess about having the best recruiting classes, 4&5 star commits, etc.
We have had top classes the past several years - not #1s but mostly highly ranked.
Where has that gotten us?
If you don't coach to develop the talent to the next level, and utilize it, it remains what it was - raw talent but unrealized potential.
Does that look like a pattern we at LSU have grown quite familiar with?
We have had top classes the past several years - not #1s but mostly highly ranked.
Where has that gotten us?
If you don't coach to develop the talent to the next level, and utilize it, it remains what it was - raw talent but unrealized potential.
Does that look like a pattern we at LSU have grown quite familiar with?
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:28 am to JawjaTigah
Are you somehow saying having great recruiting classes is a bad thing?
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:30 am to JawjaTigah
Recruiting class ranks are not myths. The teams that have won the NC's have been persistently in the top team rankings in the years prior. This goes back as far as the recruiting rankings are kept.
You are correct however and I agree that if you don't coach em up then your effort is for naught.
You are correct however and I agree that if you don't coach em up then your effort is for naught.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:30 am to TheCaterpillar
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Are you somehow saying having great recruiting classes is a bad thing?
Not what I got. I think he's trying to say that top recruit classes aren't shite without a decent coaching staff to develop them. Correct me if I am wrong OP
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:30 am to JawjaTigah
I've had this discussion on here with a couple of other posters. Our classes have been propped up by skill position players. The Offensive and Defensive line recruiting has fallen behind our rivals. I think O and Grimes are recruiting better but it will take time to restock. And you are right the coaches on the offensive side are not doing a good enough job of developing that talent.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:31 am to JawjaTigah
Disagree..look at Bama and Ohio State to name a few
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:34 am to JawjaTigah
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So many here obsess about having the best recruiting classes, 4&5 star commits, etc. We have had top classes the past several years - not #1s but mostly highly ranked. Where has that gotten us? If you don't coach to develop the talent to the next level, and utilize it, it remains what it was - raw talent but unrealized potential. Does that look like a pattern we at LSU have grown quite familiar with?
I'm for a change. With that said, your point is flawed.
LSU is first or second in n.f.l. players. Someone coached or developed them.
Now, the results on offense has more to do with qb and basic offense. The wr's are taught to block which is a big deal at the n.f.l. level.
I don't think the issue is developing players. To a large extent it's not about coaches not knowing how to teach. It has more to do with a core belief in the head guy as to his philosophy to run the ball 70 to 80% of the time and not willing to adapt to modern day football.
Barry Switzer believed in the wishbone. However, the wishbone's time had passed when Jimmy Johnson came around.
I don't think you have to be a spread team in todays time. I just believe you have to be balanced at what you do and be able to disguise or set up what you do.
Harbaugh, Jimbo, and even saban do not have full out spread offense. However, they disguise and set up what they do well. All three are basically power run teams first. They are not power run teams solely.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:36 am to TaderSalad
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Not what I got. I think he's trying to say that top recruit classes aren't shite without a decent coaching staff to develop them. Correct me if I am wrong OP
Disagree.
We lock down our instate talent which is vital to long term success, we have superstars at every level which gives us great publicity, and talent is stocked for the next coaching staff.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:38 am to TigerFanNKaty
Need top ranked ol,dl, lb and qb's...classes have been generally ranked high because of db, wr and rb's.
Games are won in the trenches coupled with good QB play to back it up.
Games are won in the trenches coupled with good QB play to back it up.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:40 am to JawjaTigah
Bad philosophy and no talent gives you LSU football in the 90's. Bad philosophy and overwhelming talent gives you LSU football of today.
Great philosophy, adjustments and overwhelming talent gives you Alabama football.
Great philosophy, adjustments and overwhelming talent gives you Alabama football.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:41 am to JawjaTigah
College football is about 90% recruiting. You can win 8-10 games a year just by having great talent. That's been the story with miles. Good records but usually not great. Some people are fine with that.
But to compete for championships again we need to retain the talent level and upgrade on the sidelines.
The thing that pissed me off about last year was the powers at Lsu decided being decent was good enough for Lsu, instead of deciding that we want to play for championships. Bama, osu, Fsu, all the big boys have fired good coaches because they didn't want to just be good, they wanted to be great. But for some reason Lsu is supposed to be content with middle of the secw.
But to compete for championships again we need to retain the talent level and upgrade on the sidelines.
The thing that pissed me off about last year was the powers at Lsu decided being decent was good enough for Lsu, instead of deciding that we want to play for championships. Bama, osu, Fsu, all the big boys have fired good coaches because they didn't want to just be good, they wanted to be great. But for some reason Lsu is supposed to be content with middle of the secw.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 7:46 am
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:43 am to TheCaterpillar
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Are you somehow saying having great recruiting classes is a bad thing?
I think what he was saying is one of the reasons not to fire Miles last year was the great recruiting class we had lined up and the want not to mess it up.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:46 am to JawjaTigah
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Where has that gotten us?
Winning a bunch of games with a less than stellar gameday coach.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:50 am to LNCHBOX
THIS is ONE OF THE MAIN reasons to FIRE Miles: lack of return on all those top-10 recruiting classes.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:50 am to TheCaterpillar
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Disagree
Fair enough.
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We lock down our instate talent which is vital to long term success
I agree. Never said we didn't.
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we have superstars at every level which gives us great publicity
Absolutely.
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and talent is stocked for the next coaching staff.
We haven't had a coaching change in 11 years. Prior to Saban taking over, there was no real transfer of talent. He established our recruiting and then did wonderful things with that class. Which was my original point. We can and do get top 5-10 classes every year and then manage to spew out victories from ugly wins. We never have our team firing on all cylinders and we always struggle in the same areas, year after year.
Coaching is the only constant therefor implying that if we dont have good coaching staff then our top recruiting is great, but not a fix all.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:52 am to JawjaTigah
alabama continues year in and year out to get top 3 classes and look at their production
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:52 am to JawjaTigah
You are also not maximizing your recruiting classes if you pair 4 and 5 star receivers with a QB who can't throw accurately. That also minimizes the value of your blue chip running backs and o-line. 
Sounds while you might have a 3rd ranked class, you really have to rank it around 10-15 because you are neutralizing some of your value.
Sounds while you might have a 3rd ranked class, you really have to rank it around 10-15 because you are neutralizing some of your value.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 7:54 am
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:54 am to JawjaTigah
What have our top recruiting classes gotten us? A whole series of 10 win seasons, that's what.
I do agree that recruiting rankings can be deceptive. We get good talent but so does every other program we compete with in the SEC West. There is no real talent gap, in my opinion. It's all coaching from there.
I do agree that recruiting rankings can be deceptive. We get good talent but so does every other program we compete with in the SEC West. There is no real talent gap, in my opinion. It's all coaching from there.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:59 am to JawjaTigah
Recruiting good players is not enough. You need to recruit good players at all positions to assemble a good team. LSU has recruited good players in large part, look at NFL rosters for evidence. It just has not recruited enough good players at QB or OT recently.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 8:14 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:No. I am saying that wasting good to great recruiting classes and 4&5 star athletes by not utilizing their talent and by failing to appropriately coach them up from their high school levels of raw talent is at best unwise, and at worst, well...
Are you somehow saying having great recruiting classes is a bad thing?
On the other hand, a lot of good coaching can make up for the lacking stars. Most recent case in point: LSU (then #5) versus Wisconsin (then unranked). Who has the best athletes? Who was better coached?
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