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re: Please stop bringing up the 90s to defend mediocre seasons
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:23 pm to byubengalboy
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:23 pm to byubengalboy
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What most people refuse to understand is that the dynamic in the $EC west and Louisiana has changed dramaticly since saban left LSU after his 'mediocre' season in '04. When saban was here Bama was down because of another cheating (imagine that) scandal and the loss of tv and schollies...ole miss was down because they were still fighting the civil war...moo st was down because, well...everyone knows starkville is a blackhole in the universe...arkansas was decent and Nutt is always a formidable opponent...the aubies were the only team that could compete (see Bama loss of schollies) and Tuberville could, on occasion, coach a good game.
Fast forward to the now...the $EC west is loaded with talented, agressive coaches who not only know how to win...but are siphoning off much of the talent we used to get. This is not an excuse for Miles but is a realistic look at how much harder the job has become since saban fricked us in the arse and Katrina-Rita savaged many Louisiana HS football programs.
Exactly!!
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Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:24 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
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does not mean we have to settle for mediocrity now
Look up the definition of mediocrity.
Being ranked in the top 10 is not mediocre.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:27 pm to Towelie
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Being ranked in the top 10 is not mediocre.
oh, but we're overrated
as a lifelong diehard Tiger fan, it sickens me to see these people (fans?) who would rather be right about Miles not being able to get it done than for the program to be successful.
and being successful is not limited to winning the SEC or MNC every year.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:27 pm to Towelie
What about this team makes you think we deserve to be in the top 10? The only reason I can think of is the fact that we weren't blown out by both Florida and Bama. Otherwise we haven't been really impressive this season.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:33 pm to OFWHAP
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What about this team makes you think we deserve to be in the top 10?
The fact that we're ranked number 8.
I'm not sure what the frick deserve has to do with anything.
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Otherwise we haven't been really impressive this season.
What's impressive to you?
We were hardly impressive in 07, should we give the crystal ball back?
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:39 pm to Mister Completely
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as a lifelong diehard Tiger fan, it sickens me to see these people (fans?) who would rather be right about Miles not being able to get it done than for the program to be successful.
and being successful is not limited to winning the SEC or MNC every year.
I am not 100% confident in Miles and never have been but, I would rather be wrong and eat crow than be right and LSU go down.
IMO, a realistic expectation should be to make the SECCG 2-3 out of five years. And maybe the BCS championship game 1 every 5 years. Which is about what has been accomplished lately.
My lack of confidence in Miles is more in the way we look and wondering if that is a trend. Are we maximizing talent? I dont think teams fear playing us.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:43 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
A winning record in the SEC season is a solid campaign.
a coach will never be fired at LSU for going 5-3 in conference
a coach will never be fired at LSU for going 5-3 in conference
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:43 pm to Polar Bear
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many of our fans seem quite happy and content with mediocrity. 10-2 should no longer be acceptable for a powerhouse like LSU
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Anything less than SEC championships is a let down season.
And I'm sure that those whom you have to answer to in your life expect you to be perfect and better than all of your peers at all times and that they consider you to be mediocre and disappointing when you are not.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:44 pm to tigerbait2
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I am not 100% confident in Miles and never have been but
I'm 100% with you on that. But most of his players would run through a brick wall for him (most, not all, as we know). Plus he signs top caliber talent every year.
And I do think most teams fear playing us. Maybe Florida or Bama don't fear us, but you can be sure they respect us. And you could say the same about them.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:47 pm to LSUnKaty
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I am not old enough to fully remember the "bad" years with Curly and Dinardo, but it has absolutely nothing at all to do with what happens now.
That explains everything. Only thing I can say is follow another team?
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:47 pm to arsenologist
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We are an elite program and we have to be disappointed if we don't make it to the SEC Championship
I think this is where the disconnect is. I'm an "old guy" that remembers the Archer/Hallman/Dinardo days very well.
We ARE an elite team now. We recruit and staff as one.
I AM disappointed when we don't make it to the SEC Championship.
HOWEVER, 8-2 and #8 in the BCS is NOT firing material. The sky isn't falling and we're still elite.
The goal for an elite team is to compete for the conference and national title every year.
WE DID - deep into the season. We lost a good game at Bama and are out of the championship hunt.
If we get blown out in our last two games, then I'm going to be VERY DISAPPOINTED - to the point that I might start agreeing with some of the people calling for heads to roll.
Repeating 2008 is not acceptable with any regularity. It should happen no more than every 4 years or so based on who we are now.
It will happen sometimes though.
This team has shown itself to play like that team with some regularity, which is where the valid concerns are to me.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:52 pm to Mister Completely
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I'm 100% with you on that. But most of his players would run through a brick wall for him (most, not all, as we know). Plus he signs top caliber talent every year.
And I do think most teams fear playing us. Maybe Florida or Bama don't fear us, but you can be sure they respect us. And you could say the same about them.
Signing top 5 classes every year is why I expect to see a dominant team. I agree that most players love the guy. I think other teams fear playing us bc of the talent, not bc of coaching, schemes etc.
Kinda like the old rumor that Bobby Knight was scared shitless playing LSU with all the talent they had, but then he looked down the bench and saw Dale Brown. Now I am not saying Les is Dale Brown but u get my point
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:58 pm to tigerbait2
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Kinda like the old rumor that Bobby Knight was scared shitless playing LSU with all the talent they had, but then he looked down the bench and saw Dale Brown. Now I am not saying Les is Dale Brown but u get my point
I get your point. I'm not a Miles apologist at all, but I think he gets too much crap from people around here. He does leave me scratching my head at times, but outside of 2008 I'm happy with the results. And again a lot of 2008's demise had to do with RP and Lee. Just a bad situation.
The man's record and the development of talent speaks volumes. I wish we could play in the SECCG game every year, but I (unlike some here) know that is not realistic.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 1:58 pm to JETigER
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A winning record in the SEC season is a solid campaign.
a coach will never be fired at LSU for going 5-3 in conference
I don't agree. With our talent and what we put into the program, consistent 5-3 records would get a firing.
LSU needs to compete for the West every year and has to win it every 2-3 years. Then they need to go about 50-50 in the title game. That's the standard in my opinion.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 2:08 pm to TriumphTiger
More I've thought about it. I'm fine with losing to the likes of UF and Bama, as long as we are competitive (like this year). However I'm not fine with squeaking by shitty teams. I don't think you'd hear nearly as much anti-Miles rhetoric this year if we'd dominated the teams we should have...fact is, we haven't dominated anyone. Some of these games shouldn't have even been close much less in doubt as to who would win.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 2:12 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
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Anything less than SEC championships is a let down season.
So by this theroy, 11 SEC teams will have a let-down season each year
Posted on 11/20/09 at 2:14 pm to MemphisJerk
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However I'm not fine with squeaking by shitty teams. I don't think you'd hear nearly as much anti-Miles rhetoric this year if we'd dominated the teams we should have...fact is, we haven't dominated anyone. Some of these games shouldn't have even been close much less in doubt as to who would win.
+1
LSU loses close to elite teams and squeaks by inferior teams. I dont know what this means about the team, but I do think the talent is underutilized.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 2:14 pm to Kajungee
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So by this theroy, 11 SEC teams will have a let-down season each year
Thats bullshite and you know it. There are MAYBE 5 teams in the SEC that feel they can win the SEC consistently. UF, UT, UGA, Bama, and LSU. Everyone else is just waiting to hang divisional co-champion banners.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 2:16 pm to MemphisJerk
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we haven't dominated anyone. Some of these games shouldn't have even been close much less in doubt as to who would win.
I would say we dominated Auburn, Tulane, & ULL.
Alot of the inconsistencies this year are due to the development of Jefferson and the spotty O-Line play. With a more consistent QB and offense, I feel pretty confident that we blow out Georgia, State, and Vandy, and maybe beat Florida and/or Bama.
The Washington game would be about the same, since the offense was decent but Locker shredded our D.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 2:16 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
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Anything less than SEC championships is a let down season.
And I can't think of anything more important than protecting you from that "let down" feeling. God forbid you should have to experience diappointment at any time in your life. If an SEC championship every year is what you need to be happy, we should fire any coach who fails to deliver, no matter what the circumstances.
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I am not old enough to fully remember the "bad" years with Curly and Dinardo, but it has absolutely nothing at all to do with what happens now.
The names may change, but the human element remains the same. Change isn't always for the better, as some Obama voters may now be starting to suspect. LSU fans hounded Charlie McClendon, LSU's winningest coach, for his conservative offense and inability to beat Bear Bryant/Alabama. The "better" coaches that they were absolutely sure would jump at the chance to coach LSU didn't come along for many years. In the meantime, we had Stovall, Hallman, DiNardo, et al. and about 20 years of misery.
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Just because we had bad years, and loved the fact that we even got to play in a bowl, does not mean we have to settle for mediocrity now.
No, we don't. But you do not seem to have a working understanding of the word "mediocrity". It means "average" or "unexceptional". LSU's current record of 8-2 is hardly average. Les Miles' overall record, which includes last year's 8-5 record (his worst), is 50-16 with an SEC and National Championship and 4-0 record in bowl games. Mediocrity? You need to have a serious talk with yourself.
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