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Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:37 pm to Damone
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In a few years Miles will be scorned by all LSU fans. The amount of talent squandered is just insane.
Why wait a few years? Many of us have been preaching this for years. I have been anti-Miles since 2005. I didn't join this site till 2009 and I was straight to talking crap about him. If you just think about it for a little while you get sick to think of the talent wasted.
Most players in the NFL. 1 lucky arse title out of 2006, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13. Imagine a competent coach with those players in those years. No way LSU sits with 1 NC. I can see 3 easy.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:38 pm to Sho Nuff
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I have been anti-Miles since 2005.
then you're an idiot
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:38 pm to timlan2057
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LSU football under his watch had become what Morgan Freeman's character in Shawshank Redemption called "institutionalized," where a lifer prisoner was afraid of life on the outside since prison was all he knew.
We were constantly told by pumpers like you to be very afraid--"What if we fire Miles and end up worse?!!?"
good analogy
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:38 pm to BilJ
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Media could see changes in 1-hour viewing window at 5
Is it possible that this is only because LSU has a ton of injuries on the OL right now? Clapp and Whethersby aren't playing this weekend. Boutte has left the field with injury at some point in every game he's played. Malone seems a bit banged up. Theuma didn't start the opener Maybe the changes are out of necessity right now more than anything else?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:39 pm to slackster
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I also know for a fact that Stud made all of the OL personnel decisions during his time here and Coach Frank Wilson did the same for the RBs during his tenure.
Frank Wilson left and and a player followed him because of Miles.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:42 pm to D500MAG
I'm sure the decision for Jimbo to leave was at least partially swayed because of Miles.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:42 pm to Taurus
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quitter
Wait... Wut?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:43 pm to BilJ
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yeah I have no doubt they all loved him as a person, but its pretty clear from their comments they had lost faith in his ability to put them in position to succeed.
You could see it on the sidelines
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:44 pm to Gray Tiger
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One thing sure has become abundantly clear...
Is that you have never been in a managerial position. The boss, however described may well ask for suggestions but ultimately it is his decision to make.
If every subordinate in an organization had is own way you would have chaos.
Look at it this way. Let's assume all the assistant coaches have this free rein you seem to think is so wonderful. The OC decides that the first play will be a deep pass to the right. The line coach disagrees and he instructs the line to fire out zone blocking, while the running backs coach instructs his charges to run a jet sweep to the wide side, while the QB coach thinks that a boot leg to the short side is just dandy. The receivers coach goes into a snit because he really wants a bubble screen.
Sounds productive doesn't it? The job of a manager is to accept suggestions from subordinates and then do what he thinks is best for the situation.
According to CEO there's a structure in place. He lets the coordinators call plays and decide what packages will be used. The position coaches have the flexability to rotate his guys in and out as he sees fit. That's what he meant when he said "I let my coaches coach."
I think that's a very good organizational hierarchy.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:45 pm to Guava Jelly
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quitter
Wait... Wut?
1-9 bruh 1-9
no going down swinging. no JL. No HUNH offense. we ran and punted late. he quit. there is NO DENYING THIS
DWI
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:46 pm to slackster
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Our current predicament goes back to two pivotal seasons - 2008 and 2011. There isn't a doubt in my mind that 2008 ruined Miles's desire to throw the ball anymore than necessary. The wild success in 2011 gave Miles the confidence boost that his way would/could work and gave him no reason to change.
And the very first game of 2012 proved him wrong.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:46 pm to Gray Tiger
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Look at it this way. Let's assume all the assistant coaches have this free rein you seem to think is so wonderful. The OC decides that the first play will be a deep pass to the right. The line coach disagrees and he instructs the line to fire out zone blocking, while the running backs coach instructs his charges to run a jet sweep to the wide side, while the QB coach thinks that a boot leg to the short side is just dandy. The receivers coach goes into a snit because he really wants a bubble screen.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:46 pm to RealityTiger
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I'm sure the decision for Jimbo to leave was at least partially swayed because of Miles.
it was indeed.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:47 pm to Salmon
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well they are not going to say they are a worse team without him, not while trying to inject energy and confidence back into the program
Why would they say they were worse? Did you watch the game Saturday
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:48 pm to Prominentwon
Gray is likely the former CEO of a fortune 10 company, so he knows how it works brohan.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:48 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Managing is different than controlling though. Compare how tightly Kiffin was reigned in during his first year there as opposed to now.
Right. Saban isn't controlling Kiffin. Saban hired an offensive analyst solely to help them trim play calls from 7 words down to 3 or 4 words simply to help the HUNH work more efficiently for them.
That ain't controlling Kiffin. It's helping him work within the parameters Saban wants him to and giving him the best chance to succeed. Just like a good, wait for it, MANAGER would do.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:50 pm to Gray Tiger
You couldn't be more wrong. The best organizations hire great people and give them resources to do their job to the best of their ability. They don't interfere or meddle in the day to day. You put a guy in charge of a department and let him run it. If the results lag then you get involved.
The worst run organizations paralyze their field personnel by keeping command and control and the senior brass becomes too detached from the people actually running their business and getting the results.
The worst run organizations paralyze their field personnel by keeping command and control and the senior brass becomes too detached from the people actually running their business and getting the results.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:50 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:you are an idiot, ryno....don't you know that how Les ran it was the best?
You couldn't be more wrong. The best organizations hire great people and give them resources to do their job to the best of their ability. They don't interfere or meddle in the day to day. You put a guy in charge of a department and let him run it. If the results lag then you get involved.
The worst run organizations paralyze their field personnel by keeping command and control and the senior brass becomes too detached from the people actually running their business and getting the results.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:51 pm to RealityTiger
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If I could give you 1,000 upvotes, I would.
This yo yo (Gray Tiger) is trying to lecture a horrible business model. I have worked for 4 different companies. Three of those companies had a micromanager for a leader. One did not. Care to guess which one operates more like a well-oiled machine?
I always figured Miles had his hand in the offense, but had no idea to what extent of a micromanager he was across the program. Man I underestimated big time!
I work for a Fortune 500 company that happens to employ a managerial structure similar to what CEO uses for coordinators and assistants. It's a very efficient model.
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