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re: Ok, honest question: Would we be 10-0 if JJ had started the season?
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:19 pm to oleheat
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:19 pm to oleheat
I believe so. However, I tend to think a couple of the nine dominant wins would have been slightly closer had Jefferson been the primary QB. The proof is in the pudding and the numbers clearly show that during the two QB's simultaneous careers, the Tigers have averaged more points in the games that Lee has started by quite a margin. I attribute this primarily to him being a much better play-action passer than Jefferson.
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:26 pm to amarti9
Dont recall saying Lee has won any games with his arm alone. I just showed how horrible JJ has been or are you going to argue the 100th out of 116 rated qb is good? As far as Lee what year are you referring to? Knowing how you JJ fanbois like to twist and alter facts I will post both years.
Here is 2010 I will take Fl as his best game 9-11 for 124 yards and 2 TD's and also set JJ up for two vultured TD's
LINK
As for 2011 give me West Va or Florida or Auburn or Tennessee games.
LINK
Here is JJ's 2010 go ahead and defend him starting especially those 4 total yards vs McNeese or that 15.2 passer rating vs Tenn. There are plenty of other games in that 7 game stretch that is just 2 for you! Horrible
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Here is 2010 I will take Fl as his best game 9-11 for 124 yards and 2 TD's and also set JJ up for two vultured TD's
LINK
As for 2011 give me West Va or Florida or Auburn or Tennessee games.
LINK
Here is JJ's 2010 go ahead and defend him starting especially those 4 total yards vs McNeese or that 15.2 passer rating vs Tenn. There are plenty of other games in that 7 game stretch that is just 2 for you! Horrible
LINK
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:26 pm to RANDY44
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I attribute this primarily to him being a much better play-action passer than Jefferson.
Better running game, o-line, finally have an identity on offense w/o crowton...etc. Outcomes would have been the same with either QB IMO.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:33 pm to oleheat
quote:I think so. He has looked pretty good this season.
Ok, honest question: Would we be 10-0 if JJ had started the season?
I love both our QBs, and I wish our fan base did as well.
We will win the national championship with both of these guys...
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:34 pm to RANDY44
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I believe so. However, I tend to think a couple of the nine dominant wins would have been slightly closer had Jefferson been the primary QB. The proof is in the pudding and the numbers clearly show that during the two QB's simultaneous careers, the Tigers have averaged more points in the games that Lee has started by quite a margin. I attribute this primarily to him being a much better play-action passer than Jefferson.
Im sorry but how do we know they would have been closer? So what are you saying Ware and the other running backs wouldnt have ran the ball as hard or well with JJ in the game against the defensively challenged teams we played before Bama?
Some of you seem to forget that JJ has beaten out JLee 3 straight years for the starting job. Why? Dont know ask Miles and the 2 DIFFERENT offensive coaching staffs he hired to evaluate and scheme a gameplan around them.
We dont know how JJ would have fared had he started the season. He may have looked as new and improved as Lee did.
And again the margin is not mostly due to our qbs its due to
A) A VERY STINGY and turnover making machine defense.
B) A running game that pounds inferior defenses into submission while both scoring pts and keeping opposing offenses off the field.
Dont get me wrong. Im not taking ANYTHING from Lee or ADDING ANYTHING to JJ. Im just saying that Lee was NOT the Dan Marino is prime that some of his supporters make him out to be during the 8 game run.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:40 pm to Topwater Trout
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I attribute this primarily to him being a much better play-action passer than Jefferson.
Better running game, o-line, finally have an identity on offense w/o crowton...etc. Outcomes would have been the same with either QB IMO.
They've scored more points with Lee playing, whether the lines were good, bad or indifferent.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:40 pm to Rudy40
Im sick and tired of the qb debate on this board. Despite saying over and over again Lee has done great in this offense and he should start I have been labeled as in Jeffs camp because I had the audacity to tell people to slow down during his investigation, say that he could have a role in this offense, and then the worst of all say he has looked pretty good this year. I think Lee should start but for the guys using the begining of last year as ammo against JJ I think its unfair to do so just like using 2008 and 2009 against Lee. Both have improved dramatically and have looked much better this year. To Rudy40 specifcally read this LINK Both Qbs have gone against some of the stiffest competition in college football and done what the coaches have asked them to do. Protect the ball and make some throws to keep the defense honest. They arent Andrew Luck but they dont need to be.
I dont think anyone defends JJs games against vandy or McNeese however any reasonable person can see that he is better than that now. There were multiple reasons and theories as to why JJ got the start and WAY down the list is that Les hates Lee and has benched him because of the bama game. Slow your roll and see what happens against ole miss.
I dont think anyone defends JJs games against vandy or McNeese however any reasonable person can see that he is better than that now. There were multiple reasons and theories as to why JJ got the start and WAY down the list is that Les hates Lee and has benched him because of the bama game. Slow your roll and see what happens against ole miss.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:45 pm to Rudy40
Rudy40,
Here is the problem with your previous post. You are taking from what you see of Lee in 2011 with an all new coaching staff on offense with a different philosophy on coaching offense and their qb's. While looking at JJ under Crowton.
Thats unfair. If you want to do a REAL comparison do one with both JJ and JLee under Crowton for 3 years. But to do that you would have to add the nightmare of 2008 for Jarrett Lee where he arguably had the worst Freshmen year in SEC history.
Add to the fact that this year's defense and special teams are FAR superior to what we had last year. Our defense is giving our offense far more opportunities with the ball. Second our running game wayyyy better.
And last but not least our Offensive line prior to this year has been nightmarishly bad regardless of who the qb was for the last 3 years. They have shown the most improvement out of ANY unit on the team.
Bottom line is Lee has had the benefit of a championship supporting cast around this year while JJ or Lee have not.
Here is the problem with your previous post. You are taking from what you see of Lee in 2011 with an all new coaching staff on offense with a different philosophy on coaching offense and their qb's. While looking at JJ under Crowton.
Thats unfair. If you want to do a REAL comparison do one with both JJ and JLee under Crowton for 3 years. But to do that you would have to add the nightmare of 2008 for Jarrett Lee where he arguably had the worst Freshmen year in SEC history.
Add to the fact that this year's defense and special teams are FAR superior to what we had last year. Our defense is giving our offense far more opportunities with the ball. Second our running game wayyyy better.
And last but not least our Offensive line prior to this year has been nightmarishly bad regardless of who the qb was for the last 3 years. They have shown the most improvement out of ANY unit on the team.
Bottom line is Lee has had the benefit of a championship supporting cast around this year while JJ or Lee have not.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:49 pm to amarti9
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the nightmare of 2008 for Jarrett Lee where he arguably had the worst Freshmen year in SEC history.
lolz. stop it.
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And last but not least our Offensive line prior to this year has been nightmarishly bad regardless of who the qb was for the last 3 years.
lolz again. missed this. the OL sucked in 09, like monumentally bad sucked, but other than that, they've been good the last few yrs.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:51 pm to amarti9
Here is the answer we have been looking for. There is one reason our QBs played sub-par before this season. This link will tell you all you need to know. Look at 2010 and then look at 2011. There is something that impacted this young man. See if you can figure it out...
Danny O'Brien, QB, Maryland
Danny O'Brien, QB, Maryland
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:51 pm to ATLTiger
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lolz. stop it.
Name me an SEC qb who has started 5 games or more who's had a worst Freshmen year than Lee in 08.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:55 pm to RANDY44
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They've scored more points with Lee playing, whether the lines were good, bad or indifferent.
How can you say that for this year?
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:58 pm to ATLTiger
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lolz again. missed this. the OL sucked in 09, like monumentally bad sucked, but other than that, they've been good the last few yrs.
What?!?! I hope you are talking about running the football because their pass protections has been horrendous for a very long time. I dunno maybe 2009 felt like an eternity of misery watching them play that I felt like it went on in 2010. But I remember a lot of times last year where I qb got sacked before he got to his 3rd step on a 3 step drop.
In fact last year, IMHO, we lined up probably the fewest times under center than in any year past because the O-line was not holding blocks long enough or picking up blitzes properly.
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