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re: Ok, honest question: Would we be 10-0 if JJ had started the season?
Posted on 11/14/11 at 3:01 pm to ATLTiger
Posted on 11/14/11 at 3:01 pm to ATLTiger
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define managing a game
Evidently you haven't done much managing yourself.
Controlling the offense by getting the play called on time without penalties, know what the play is, not turning the ball over. Go head, mention 2008 = lame. The dude has managed the game well this season, and that's something we've lacked in the last couple of years. Our defense has edged the opponent for the most part in the last couple of years. We've owned our opponents this season. JJ is a good addition to our offense when we can't stuff it up the middle, but I don't like our chances of winning as much with him in as I do with someone who can throw. While you mention 2008, go ahead and mention the 3 or 4 good throwing games JJ has had too. Have fun!
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Posted on 11/14/11 at 3:02 pm to oleheat
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Posted on 11/14/11 at 3:10 pm to Trent
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Evidently you haven't done much managing yourself.
uhh, ok.
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Controlling the offense by getting the play called on time without penalties, know what the play is, not turning the ball over.
gotcha.
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Have fun!
word.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 3:12 pm to just me
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I think one can reasonably argue that it was not probable that Lee would have won the Alabama game this year as the sole QB.
you are correct. anyone can argue it. the problem is that most on this board look at the 11 snaps JL played in that game and determined that there is no way in hell we win that game with him taking all the snaps. everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is their opinion. it is not a fact as it is often stated. the only fact is that we have no clue what would have happened if JL played the entire game.
saying we go 10-0 with only JJ is just as ridiculous as saying JL would have lost the bama game. IT IS ALL SPECULATION.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 3:13 pm to Trent
Posted on 11/14/11 at 3:32 pm to Trent
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Go head, mention 2008 = lame.
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While you mention 2008
quote:You truly are anchored in the past.
go ahead and mention the 3 or 4 good throwing games JJ has had too
Against SEC competition in 2011, Jefferson is completing 60% of his passes with 9.5 yards per attempt for 172.8 rating.
Sample size too small? Throw in the last three SEC games from last year:
Jefferson is completing 66.23% of his passes with 9.99 yards per attempt for 161.2 rating.
Jefferson had a Sophomore slump in 2010. He's over it. You need to get over it too.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 3:40 pm to Handsome Harry
No
Posted on 11/14/11 at 4:00 pm to casansin
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You truly are anchored in the past. Against SEC competition in 2011, Jefferson is completing 60% of his passes with 9.5 yards per attempt for 172.8 rating. Sample size too small? Throw in the last three SEC games from last year: Jefferson is completing 66.23% of his passes with 9.99 yards per attempt for 161.2 rating. Jefferson had a Sophomore slump in 2010. He's over it. You need to get over it too.
Truth, facts, logic..........kryptonite for the rant.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:34 am to just me
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Jefferson had a Sophomore slump in 2010. He's over it. You need to get over it too.
You're a damn fool if you think his Sophomore year was worse than last year. Nice job posting completion % for a guy that throw less than 10 times a game. I'm proud of you man!
Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:35 am to Trent
I just answered the question by the way, and it was no. I don't give a shite about JJ's stats. I'm not blind
Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:40 am to ashy larry
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saying we go 10-0 with only JJ is just as ridiculous as saying JL would have lost the bama game. IT IS ALL SPECULATION.
Truth. You can easily see who has some kind of agenda in these conversations. LSU could be 10-0 with either. Scoring 6 pts in a regulation game isn't out of the realm of possibility for anyone, or any team.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Truth. You can easily see who has some kind of agenda in these conversations. LSU could be 10-0 with either. Scoring 6 pts in a regulation game isn't out of the realm of possibility for anyone, or any team.
While I understand what you are saying, I just don't see how you keep using that 6 pt total as a definite measuring stick.
If each qb was given the opportunity to play every single snap, the entire game would change. Field position and game strategy situations would change that likely would effect the ultimate point total needed to win the game.
You really can't say that all you needed was 6 points because you really don't know what would happen if either qb played every snap.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:49 am to chip207
the biggest gripe i have with jj is his long slow release and the inability to make quick decisions on where to go with the ball. lee has an extremely quick release which helps on wr screens and quick slants. jj just doesn't have that part of the game in his arsenal. his ability to make plays with his legs, however, are a huge advantage lee just doesn't give us. personally, i like what we were doing in the auburn and florida games, like we did in 2007 w flynn and rp.
i also am kind of upset with miles not playing lee last week. if he wasn't suspended, he should have played. we weren't going to lose that game, and lee has earned the right to play. i can't imagine what that did to his confidence not getting in the game until the middle of the 4th quarter. he's stuck around through a lot of bullshite from the fans and the media. he deserved better than that imo. i love miles, but i thought that was wrong. he has one bad game against the best d in the country and gets benched.
i also am kind of upset with miles not playing lee last week. if he wasn't suspended, he should have played. we weren't going to lose that game, and lee has earned the right to play. i can't imagine what that did to his confidence not getting in the game until the middle of the 4th quarter. he's stuck around through a lot of bullshite from the fans and the media. he deserved better than that imo. i love miles, but i thought that was wrong. he has one bad game against the best d in the country and gets benched.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 9:53 am
Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:49 am to Trent
quote:You stuck in place. You are anchored. Let it go.
You're a damn fool if you think his Sophomore year was worse than last year. Nice job posting completion % for a guy that throw less than 10 times a game. I'm proud of you man!
For example, you are stuck in your use of language. Sophomore slump does not refer solely to the Sophomore year of college. Jefferson's first year of starting was 2009. His SECOND year, or Sophomore year, was 2010. Jefferson had a Sophomore slump in 2010.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:53 am to BeeFense5
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While I understand what you are saying, I just don't see how you keep using that 6 pt total as a definite measuring stick.
It's exactly what was scored in regulation by both teams.
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If each qb was given the opportunity to play every single snap, the entire game would change.
Pure speculation.
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Field position and game strategy situations would change that likely would effect the ultimate point total needed to win the game.
Pure speculation driven by an agenda. This is a classic example of an agenda driven by a particular bias.
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You really can't say that all you needed was 6 pointsbecause you really don't know what would happen if either qb played every snap.
You can't say that LSU wouldn't have scored 21 points if things hadn't changed in the game. 3
LSU could have won with either QB. Anyone disputing this is full of shite. The LSU offense didn't win the game for the team, and it didn't require a hell of a lot of proficiency.
The QB hasn't been that pivotal in "winning" games for LSU this year. The team could easily be 10-0 with only one of these guys. Any one.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/15/11 at 9:55 am to lsufball19
I have always thought JJ had a very slow release, and wondered why the coaches did not work with him on improving that drastically. I have thought his pass release looks like a baseball pitcher taking a wind-up. That will never fly in the NFL, if JJ had such remote hopes.
In response to the original question, quite frankly no--I don't think LSU would have been 10-0 if JJ had started the season as #1 QB.
In response to the original question, quite frankly no--I don't think LSU would have been 10-0 if JJ had started the season as #1 QB.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:00 am to rjokerlsu
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I have thought his pass release looks like a baseball pitcher taking a wind-up.
his release reminds me of vladmir guerrero's. he also doesn't see open receivers as fast as lee. he's got a strong arm, but he has a slow release and doesn't usually look very good on touch passes. wr screens will never work with him either because of this. takes way too much time for the play to develop
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
No agenda here. I'm just discussing the situation you are presenting. No where in my response did I say that one qb was better than the other.
What I am saying is that the game would change. I dont know how you can't see that.
Be honest, you really feel that if each qb played every snap of that game, it doesn't change anything about the game? I'm not asking win/loss.
What I am saying is that the game would change. I dont know how you can't see that.
Be honest, you really feel that if each qb played every snap of that game, it doesn't change anything about the game? I'm not asking win/loss.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 10:01 am
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:06 am to just me
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Sample size too small? Throw in the last three SEC games from last year:
Jefferson is completing 66.23% of his passes with 9.99 yards per attempt for 161.2 rating
Nice pick.
Those three games support your claim. Why not pick three from some other point in season?
Can't believe this thread is still alive.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:08 am to BeeFense5
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No agenda here.
Pure unadulterated bullshite.
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What I am saying is that the game would change. I dont know how you can't see that.
You have no clue what would have happened in the 2/3rds of the game left. 6 pts or 60 pts.
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Be honest, you really feel that if each qb played every snap of that game, it doesn't change anything about the game?
Never said that. At all. LSU scored 6 points. 2 FG's in regulation. This is the only thing we know. The LSU defense held Bama to six pts and assuming it would be dramatically different is just...well, an assumption.
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I'm not asking win/loss.
W/L is the whole godamned point of the thread.
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