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re: offensive play calling on miles not crowten
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:00 pm to ssgrice
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:00 pm to ssgrice
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Gary is the play caller. The offense sucks #1 because we don't have a qb. #2 it sucks because the staff has failed to build it around what we do have. #3 its conservative because we have a bad arse D and a wicked special teams. Enjoy the season.
Was on the Autobahn to N.O. dodging Suburbans doing 100mph and was definitely trending toward sober and heard the above (need a thread on whether no St Troopers between BR and NO after Tiger games is some generous unwritten rule).
I believe Billy Gonzales was the one Hannegrif referred to as being bound, gagged, and in the closet.
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Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:02 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Miles may not be the only reason for the shitty offense, but he's definitely part of it.
im not here to defend miles and the offense, they clearly suck. BUT i think with the right oc, none of this would be an issue. (well, that and a decent qb)
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:02 pm to legohairedman
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I have a bama friend that every time he sees me he says he loves les miles.
Miles is the 2nd favorite coach of every one of LSU's SEC foes. They never want him to leave because they believe that he is an idiot who will bring the LSU football program so far down that it will take years to rebuild.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:06 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Miles is the 2nd favorite coach of every one of LSU's SEC foes. They never want him to leave because they believe that he is an idiot...
Who is Number 1 fav idiot SEC coach
This post was edited on 9/29/10 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:07 pm to spinoza
their own coach probably.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:09 pm to legohairedman
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their own coach probably.
That's what I was implying.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:09 pm to legohairedman
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I believe Billy Gonzales was the one Hannegrif referred to as being bound, gagged, and in the closet.
they definitely commented saying this also, but the comments were made after a caller told them they were wrong and that crowton was really the problem. They definitely have the same opinion for both of them.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:16 pm to legohairedman
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they definitely commented saying this also, but the comments were made after a caller told them they were wrong and that crowton was really the problem. They definitely have the same opinion for both of them.
The bottom line is that Miles is the head coach, so the buck stops with him. If the offense sucks, it's his responsibility to fix it. If he refuses to do so out of fear of hurting Crowton or Jefferson's feelings (some think this is the case), then he needs to be sent packing because he's not doing his job.
From what I've gathered, Alleva is not a big Miles supporter. If Miles doesn't do what's required to get the offense on track, then Alleva should give him the rope and let him hang himself with it. To have this much talent being wasted is beyond ridiculous.
This post was edited on 9/29/10 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:18 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
While it will never happen, if we lose to UT this weekend alleva should walk across the field and offer dooley 3 million on the spot.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:21 pm to legohairedman
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Gordy and hanigriff said that without a doubt the play-calling problems are on miles.
Remember that Miles wouldn't have to interefere so much with the playcalling if he had a halfway competent offensive coordinator. I don't know why people keep bringing this up to try and defend Crowton. If Crowton was any good Miles wouldn't have to get so involved in the first place.
He should have fired his stupid incompetent arse after last season.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:24 pm to legohairedman
That is what she said.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:25 pm to Chimlim
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keep bringing this up to try and defend Crowton
no, crowton sucks, but the point is just firing him isnt going to solve everything like people think because of Miles.
miles should have fired Crowton, but didnt and that is his fault. It all goes back to Miles anyway. I just dont see the offense getting that much better until Miles is also gone, and we have far too much talent for him to lose enough anytime soon.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:26 pm to Camp Randall
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They've repeatedly said Crowton calls the plays. They said let there be no doubt anymore. Gordy said it specifically.
Gordy and Charles have repeatedly said that Crowton calls the plays based on just exactly what Les Miles wants called. Let there be no doubt that the offense you see on the field is all Les Miles. Bo Jr. is a I-form, power running game, throw it occasionally guy. Wants to be Alabama in the worst way but doesn't have the QB, RB's or OL that Bama does to pull it off. Crowton is a big spread/ vertical passing guy. Don't have the QB to pull that off.
Regardless of whomever is mostly responsible for what we see on the field, the current Les-Gary hybrid offense is dumbed down to the high school level because of reasons that we all know. Sad state of affairs. Will probably be good enought to beat Tennessee, but all bets are off after this weekend unless Haslett gives Delhomme a shot.....
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:32 pm to legohairedman
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If Crowton was any good Miles wouldn't have to get so involved in the first place.
Maybe Miles just thinks he is an offensive guru. The playcalling was much better in the past, CLM just needs to be less engaged on the offensive side of the ball imo.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:35 pm to SA4LSU
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CLM just needs to be less engaged on the offensive side of the ball imo.
agreed. I just don ever see it happening. I mean if he cant see the light with the offense being as bad as it has been the last 2 years, then he never will.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:38 pm to south bama tiger
I am not a die hard Miles supporter by any means, not a hater either, but take off the I hate Miles glasses and look at his offense at OSU and Crowtons past offenses. It becomes crystal clear who the main problem is. Right now the offense is bland and predictable, but we are running the ball well and not taking sacks, so I would say the problem is Crowtons playbook.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:39 pm to TigerFanNKaty
IMO, The reason we see Miles so involved with the offense this year is because of the product that Crowton has put on the field the last 2 years. It's a mistake, but it is what it is.
The biggest mistake Miles made was allowing Crowton to install his "helter skelter" version of the spread offense after the 2007 season. In 2007, Miles had Crowton run the Jimbo/Monken pro-style offensive scheme with elements of his spread sprinkled in. The offense we saw in 2007 was very similar to types of offenses that Miles ran at OSU (Monken involved then also).
What we saw last year was the complete Crowton spread offense. It is a fact that Crowton changed the OL blocking schemes in 2009. We saw the results from that.
Miles should have let Crowton go last year, hired Steve Logan (OC/QB) and moved the LSU offense back to more of a pro-style offense.
The biggest mistake Miles made was allowing Crowton to install his "helter skelter" version of the spread offense after the 2007 season. In 2007, Miles had Crowton run the Jimbo/Monken pro-style offensive scheme with elements of his spread sprinkled in. The offense we saw in 2007 was very similar to types of offenses that Miles ran at OSU (Monken involved then also).
What we saw last year was the complete Crowton spread offense. It is a fact that Crowton changed the OL blocking schemes in 2009. We saw the results from that.
Miles should have let Crowton go last year, hired Steve Logan (OC/QB) and moved the LSU offense back to more of a pro-style offense.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:40 pm to philter
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A more accurate statement is that during the week Miles, Crowton, and Gonzales sit down and draw up a gameplan with multiple plays they want to run for specific down and distances...and create that playcalling chart based on the opponent.
Then during the game, Crowton calls the plays off of this collaborative play sheet. At times, Miles will make a specific call during the games. This has been known for a couple of years...nothing new.
To add to this.. it is absolutely how it should be.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:40 pm to legohairedman
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I just don ever see it happening. I mean if he cant see the light with the offense being as bad as it has been the last 2 years, then he never will.
And this will force LSU to cut him loose...and it will be his own fault.
I believe that the writing is on the wall in terms on Miles' future at LSU.
It's not a question of if anymore, it's just a question of when.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 3:40 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Right now the offense is bland and predictable, but we are running the ball well and not taking sacks, so I would say the problem is Crowtons playbook.
I hear ya, and i thought the same thing, but with guys like GR and CH saying different, that changes things. These guys are very close to program and are in the no. They say different. We are just guys in a message board. Im gonna go with their opinion.
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