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Nothing wrong with the idea of a split title
Posted on 12/7/11 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/7/11 at 9:58 am
In 2003, the problem was not that the AP voted differently. The problem was that USC did not deserve the split title.
We played in the hardest conference in the land, played an extra game where we beat a top 5 Georgia team and then beat the #1 ranked team in the NC game. There was no reason to give the AP title to USC. Simply put, they did not deserve it and got it because of the media love.
Overall, split titles are legitimate. I just don't think USC had a case in 2003.
Flame away.
We played in the hardest conference in the land, played an extra game where we beat a top 5 Georgia team and then beat the #1 ranked team in the NC game. There was no reason to give the AP title to USC. Simply put, they did not deserve it and got it because of the media love.
Overall, split titles are legitimate. I just don't think USC had a case in 2003.
Flame away.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 10:00 am
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Posted on 12/7/11 at 9:59 am to siliconvalleytiger
the were ranked #1 in the AP and did nothing really lose that ranking after their bowl game
are you saying they didn't deserve the #1 ranking to begin with?
are you saying they didn't deserve the #1 ranking to begin with?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:00 am to Pilot Tiger
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are you saying they didn't deserve the #1 ranking to begin with?
Correct. Our body of work before the NC Game was far better than USCs. After the OK beatdown, LSU should have supplanted USC as #1 in the AP. Easily.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:03 am to siliconvalleytiger
One of our arguments in 03 and 07 when referring to the teams that didn't get it was "You agreed on the system at the beginning of the year, now you have to live with it." The same applies to us now. If Alabama beats us, Alabama is champion. The only champion.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 10:04 am
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:04 am to Pilot Tiger
They didn't deserve that ranking. That's why computer rankings are mixed into the BCS formula. To take out human bias. AP is full of BS, voters' emotions, allegiances and where they reside come into play in voting.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:04 am to siliconvalleytiger
Won't be any talk of a split after the game.
We're going to be 14-0 & won't be sharing it with anyone. The only question is whether Alabama will be impressive in its loss & whether Okie State will be impressive enough in its win?
It'll be a battle for #2 this year.
We're going to be 14-0 & won't be sharing it with anyone. The only question is whether Alabama will be impressive in its loss & whether Okie State will be impressive enough in its win?
It'll be a battle for #2 this year.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:05 am to siliconvalleytiger
quote:In the end, there can be only one
Overall, split titles are legitimate
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:05 am to LSUJuice
quote:The system we agreed to does not (and did not in 2003) require the AP to vote the BCSCG winner #1.
One of our arguments in 03 and 07 when referring to the teams that didn't get it was "You agreed on the system at the beginning of the year, now you have to live with it." The same applies to us now. If Alabama beats us, Alabama is champion. The only champion.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:05 am to GFunk
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Won't be any talk of a split after the game.
We're going to be 14-0 & won't be sharing it with anyone. The only question is whether Alabama will be impressive in its loss & whether Okie State will be impressive enough in its win?
It'll be a battle for #2 this year.
this.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:07 am to Gravitiger
quote:which makes the AP an isolated entity and unworthy of recognition
The system we agreed to does not (and did not in 2003) require the AP to vote the BCSCG winner #1.
we play for the crystal football
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:07 am to Gravitiger
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The system we agreed to does not (and did not in 2003) require the AP to vote the BCSCG winner #1.
Ok fine. But we didn't want to acknowledge it then, so why acknowledge it now? If the AP vote was not credible in 2003, then you can't all of a sudden decide that they know what they're talking about now.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:07 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:Losing to Cal, one less win than LSU and OU, weaker SOS, to name a few.
the were ranked #1 in the AP and did nothing really lose that ranking after their bowl game are you saying they didn't deserve the #1 ranking to begin with?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:08 am to siliconvalleytiger
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We played in the hardest conference in the land, played an extra game where we beat a top 5 Georgia team and then beat the #1 ranked team in the NC game. There was no reason to give the AP title to USC. Simply put, they did not deserve it and got it because of the media love.
this.
quote:
Overall, split titles are legitimate
inevitable for legit.
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I just don't think USC had a case in 2003.
agreed...they were a very good football team who failed to qualify for the natcham game. end of story.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:08 am to manwich
quote:Why?
which makes the AP an isolated entity and unworthy of recognition
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:12 am to Gravitiger
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which makes the AP an isolated entity and unworthy of recognition
Why?
it isn't the main system. it's just another peripheral award. it's a holdover from when each little newspaper/magazine would name their own champ. the AP just links them and spits out a single winner. that doesn't make it any more prestigious to me. the BCS trophy is the crown. the rest are just jewels on that crown
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:12 am to LSUJuice
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Ok fine. But we didn't want to acknowledge it then, so why acknowledge it now? If the AP vote was not credible in 2003, then you can't all of a sudden decide that they know what they're talking about now.
The AP was part of the BCS system in 2003. They didn't like the outcome, so they broke their agreement with the system they had previously agreed to be a part of and they crowned their own champion.
It was a completely illegitimate title in 2003.
Now, the AP is NOT a part of the BCS system. They have their own poll and their own title. If the want to crown a different champion, they can. It is as legitimate as the AP title in 1992 or 1979 or any other year before the BCS.
The AP title is legit. MUCH more so than in 2003.
Use logic. Don't apply how you FELT in 2003 to NOW. It is a completely different situation.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:13 am to LSUJuice
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Ok fine. But we didn't want to acknowledge it then, so why acknowledge it now? If the AP vote was not credible in 2003, then you can't all of a sudden decide that they know what they're talking about now.
I think most of us had to acknowledge it. The AP title is widely acknowledged. We didn't like it but that a different issue. I didn't like it because I think they got it very wrong. USC did not deserve the AP that year. It wasn't even close.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:13 am to LSUJuice
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One of our arguments in 03 and 07 when referring to the teams that didn't get it was "You agreed on the system at the beginning of the year, now you have to live with it." The same applies to us now. If Alabama beats us, Alabama is champion. The only champion.
Can't say it any better than that.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:14 am to USMCTiger03
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Losing to Cal, one less win than LSU and OU, weaker SOS, to name a few.
Right. You've just destroyed the credibility of the AP Poll. Why should it be so credible now? What's changed?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:16 am to AlaTiger
quote:i agree that it is more legitimate now, but that it still doesn't carry enough clout to force a co-champion. the team that wins the AP isn't a co-champ of anything. they just happened to win some other award.
The AP title is legit. MUCH more so than in 2003.
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