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re: Nothing wrong with the idea of a split title
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:17 am to LSUJuice
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:17 am to LSUJuice
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Right. You've just destroyed the credibility of the AP Poll. Why should it be so credible now? What's changed?
The AP was part of the BCS equation in 2003. It is NOT now.
The AP went into who played in the BCS championship in 2003. When the AP didn't get who they wanted in, they pulled out of the system that they were a part of and declared their own champion. It was illegitimate.
Now, the AP is not part of the BCS system. They have their own poll. If they want to crown a different champion, they have the right to do so and it is legitimate for the AP.
The argument AGAINST USC in 2003 would not be the same argument against LSU in 2011. Completely different set of circumstances.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:18 am to AlaTiger
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Now, the AP is NOT a part of the BCS system. They have their own poll and their own title. If the want to crown a different champion, they can. It is as legitimate as the AP title in 1992 or 1979 or any other year before the BCS.
The AP title is legit. MUCH more so than in 2003.
Are you going to feel like your team is the national champion after losing the "National Championship Game?" So what if the AP votes us that way. We will have lost the game in the system we signed up for. Please don't let us be THAT fanbase that loses the championship and whines, "but we beat you in the regular season and now we're AP champ."
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:18 am to AlaTiger
felt like saying it again?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:18 am to LSUJuice
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If Alabama beats us, Alabama is champion. The only champion.
Gotta agree with this. I'd be happy for the guys if they came in first in the AP (at least they got something additional out of the season on top of the SEC championship), but at the end of the day the prize everyone wants is the BCSNCG trophy. Winner of that is the National Champion.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:19 am to LSUJuice
quote:this
Are you going to feel like your team is the national champion after losing the "National Championship Game?" So what if the AP votes us that way. We will have lost the game in the system we signed up for. Please don't let us be THAT fanbase that loses the championship and whines, "but we beat you in the regular season and now we're AP champ."
there is no co-champ. USC was cheap for claiming it
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:20 am to siliconvalleytiger
No split titles since 1998
BCS isn't a split title
BCS isn't a split title
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:20 am to siliconvalleytiger
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I just don't think USC had a case in 2003
The only reason you think this is because you are an LSU fan and feel the controversy took away from the greatest moment in your time as an LSU fan, assuming you are under 60.
USC was #1 in both traditional polls. OU was only #1 in the BCS, which was because of the complicated formula that was repetitive.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:20 am to LSUJuice
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Are you going to feel like your team is the national champion after losing the "National Championship Game?" So what if the AP votes us that way. We will have lost the game in the system we signed up for. Please don't let us be THAT fanbase that loses the championship and whines, "but we beat you in the regular season and now we're AP champ."
I am just telling you why it is different. The 2003 situation was a complete joke. The AP didn't like the result so they changed the rules during the season. Ridiculous.
But, the AP has crowned their own national champion for years now. It is the same system they used to crown champions for decades. If the AP says that LSU is their champion even if we lose to Alabama, then we are the AP champion.
You can feel about it however you want. But, the AP championship now is just as legitimate as the AP championship in 1992 or 1982 or 1979 or any time prior.
Do with it what you will.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:23 am to AlaTiger
quote:no it isn't. there wasn't a recognized alternate to the AP that was generally regarded as the main system for determining a champ.
You can feel about it however you want. But, the AP championship now is just as legitimate as the AP championship in 1992 or 1982 or 1979 or any time prior.
that is a huge difference.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:25 am to manwich
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felt like saying it again?
Yes. It bears repeating.
We would be the AP champion. If you don't want to claim that championship, then fine. Don't. But, we would still be the legitimate AP champion, just like any team who won a split title with the AP was in the past.
The AP giving their championship to USC in 2003 was a joke. They agreed to be part of the BCS system and when they didn't like the outcome, they rebelled during the season. That's like agreeing to the rules of a football game, and when a rule goes against you, you declare victory and leave the field because you said so.
I have no problem accepting the AP title if it comes to that. They give it. What are we going to do? Say no?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:27 am to siliconvalleytiger
Split titles are for pussy, "take my ball & go home" types.
Bama is in the game, get over it. If they beat us, they are THE national champs. I certainly will not be satisfied or recognize an AP championship
Bama is in the game, get over it. If they beat us, they are THE national champs. I certainly will not be satisfied or recognize an AP championship
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 10:28 am
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:27 am to manwich
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no it isn't. there wasn't a recognized alternate to the AP that was generally regarded as the main system for determining a champ.
that is a huge difference.
It doesn't matter what the alternative is. The AP championship is still the AP championship. You might think there is one better, but until we have a playoff, it is all subjective - especially this year.
The NCAA does not sanction any title game. It is all opinion. More computer polls has Oklahoma State ranked higher than Alabama. Oklahoma State had a better SOS, beat more ranked opponents, and had a better body of work. But, SUBJECTIVELY, voters said that Alabama passed the "eyeball test" and put Alabama in the game against a team that already beat them on their home field.
How is that authoritative? It is all subjective.
IF LSU loses and the AP crowns us champions, I'll take it.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:27 am to AlaTiger
bares*
quote:we are not alabama. we claim legitimate titles. why would anyone want a paper title?
We would be the AP champion. If you don't want to claim that championship, then fine. Don't. But, we would still be the legitimate AP champion, just like any team who won a split title with the AP was in the past.
quote:you accept it gracefully, stuff it in the trophy case and continue to refer to yourself as a three-time national champ
What are we going to do? Say no?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:27 am to siliconvalleytiger
I just like it because it makes the BCS look stupid and that alone is well worth it.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:31 am to AlaTiger
quote:sounds like a "trophies for everybody" mentality. let the Bamas of the world scrounge around for scraps.
How is that authoritative? It is all subjective.
IF LSU loses and the AP crowns us champions, I'll take it.
simply put, AP champion is not the national champion anymore unless they happen to vote for the BCS nat'l champion
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:32 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:the BCS doesn't need any help with that
I just like it because it makes the BCS look stupid and that alone is well worth it.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:33 am to Pilot Tiger
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the were ranked #1 in the AP and did nothing really lose that ranking after their bowl game
are you saying they didn't deserve the #1 ranking to begin with?
I think he means that OU didn't deserve to be there.
Actually OU was #1 all year long..but got spanked by KSU 35-7 before the LSU game
USC didn't lay it on the line because they were left out
It's all mute now, they have had to forfeit that title
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:37 am to manwich
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sounds like a "trophies for everybody" mentality. let the Bamas of the world scrounge around for scraps.
simply put, AP champion is not the national champion anymore unless they happen to vote for the BCS nat'l champion
No. The BCS is completely subjective. Under any OBJECTIVE measure, Oklahoma State should have been in the game.
We beat Alabama on their home field. FACT.
The BCS is all opinion. Because of the OPINION of a bunch of people who happen to have votes, Bama gets a second chance at us. IF they happen to win that game and the AP OPINION is that LSU is the National Champion because of our body of work and the FACT that we beat Alabama at home, I will accept their OPINION and the trophy that goes along with it.
You are reacting to Bama's abuses over the years. Stop reacting to Alabama and their fanbase and look at this dispassionately. Who cares what Alabama does?
Accept the awards you are given and move on. It won't be LSU declaring themselves champion or anything. There will be a SPLIT title to reflect the SPLIT in the series between LSU and Alabama this year.
It would actually be just. It isn't like its the Golf Digest Championship or anything.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:40 am to AlaTiger
The AP in 2003 was only 1/8th of the formula
So USC won 1/8th of a championship?
:lol;
So USC won 1/8th of a championship?
:lol;
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:40 am to siliconvalleytiger
When the AP chose in 2003 to become a slave to the BCS by being a component part of the system, they were not free to name a champion on their own.
The AP in 2011 is free from the BCS and can choose who they want
The AP in 2011 is free from the BCS and can choose who they want
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