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re: Note to Out of State Alums
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:29 pm to OFWHAP
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:29 pm to OFWHAP
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The quality of education is much better in other states.
But it doesn't have to be that way, and that's what we need to look at changing. High quality educational systems attract high-quality employers and the money that goes with them. Like I said, i don't know what the starting point is (chicken or egg), but at some point there needs to be a frank discussion about what it is that La needs LSU to be.
Just want to point out--I've lived in quite a few places, and people in La love their state as much or more than any of them. There's no reason we can't translate that pride into exceptionalism.
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Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:45 pm to AFTiger
I'm not even talking about college here. Louisiana's K-12 education is in shambles. We're annually ranked at the bottom nationally in terms of education.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:51 pm to AFTiger
I earned my two graduate degrees at LSU as an out-of-state resident. Some semesters I paid out-of-state tuition and many semesters I did not because I received graduate student aid.
Even out-of-state tution in the in the 90s was a great deal at LSU. I paid less with out-of-state tution that people in other states who were paying instate tuition. I love LSU and I owe my professional career to LSU.
I liked the bengal legacy scholarship idea and I give money to LSU academics and I still will, but I think LSU is making a mistake. I had friends who went to grad school who would have consider sending their kids to LSU because of the bengal legacy. These are smart kids who would have done well at LSU and added to the educational experience of Louisiana kids and improved LSU.
I've always felt that LSU should be the school for the best and brightest of Louisiana and the best and brightest of other states and the bengal legacy scholarship would have been a great way to do that.
LSU should be on the same level of Virginia, North Carolina, UC-Berekeley and UT-Austin. Heck I admit to telling people that LSU is like those schools. They don't know it's not and it makes LSU look good.
Even out-of-state tution in the in the 90s was a great deal at LSU. I paid less with out-of-state tution that people in other states who were paying instate tuition. I love LSU and I owe my professional career to LSU.
I liked the bengal legacy scholarship idea and I give money to LSU academics and I still will, but I think LSU is making a mistake. I had friends who went to grad school who would have consider sending their kids to LSU because of the bengal legacy. These are smart kids who would have done well at LSU and added to the educational experience of Louisiana kids and improved LSU.
I've always felt that LSU should be the school for the best and brightest of Louisiana and the best and brightest of other states and the bengal legacy scholarship would have been a great way to do that.
LSU should be on the same level of Virginia, North Carolina, UC-Berekeley and UT-Austin. Heck I admit to telling people that LSU is like those schools. They don't know it's not and it makes LSU look good.
This post was edited on 8/27/10 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:53 pm to OFWHAP
I hear ya--I graduated from a La public high school and I continue to be amazed at how advanced the kids are in the same grades in TX, ND, VA, etc.
What's the solution? And can it be found and implemented without going out of state?
What's the solution? And can it be found and implemented without going out of state?
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:58 pm to Tigerbait46
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this whole issue really is getting my blood boilin
I am mostly disappointed by the in state people on this board blasting us for being upset by it. Very surprised to be viewed like traitors. The level of bitterness is shocking.
Disagreeing is one thing. Calling us leeches, etc. etc. etc. is just plain sad.
I tell people about the great atmosphere there, the lifelong affinity with the university and the state, even if you didn't grow up there.
I'm starting to think it is all b.s.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 6:43 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Really folks, considering LSU in a ranking like UT & UVA is almost funny at this stage. These rankings are relatively meaningless as to the value of an education a student can get.
When it is all said and done, most higher learning institutions give their students the tools to succeed. But the real value comes from associations you make, your abilities, and the doors that open while getting that education. Some schools are in areas where opportunity is abundant, graduates get higher paying jobs and these schools open doors for their students like UT and UVA.
I graduated from LSU and got a great education and went on to get an MBA at a school that opened a lot of doors for me. I would put my LSU degree up against any other school. The opportunities coming out of LSU, whether graduate or undergraduate just do not avail themselves in Louisiana. Until the state learns how to develop a modern economy, the best and brightest will continue to leave the state.
Those Alums who want LSU as an upper tier school at this point in time, want it for the status it might bestow on them. Louisiana is not going to produce a Top tier school as a long as its economic climate remains the same. In the long run, it is the individual that succeeds regardless of his University. You just need the WANT!
When it is all said and done, most higher learning institutions give their students the tools to succeed. But the real value comes from associations you make, your abilities, and the doors that open while getting that education. Some schools are in areas where opportunity is abundant, graduates get higher paying jobs and these schools open doors for their students like UT and UVA.
I graduated from LSU and got a great education and went on to get an MBA at a school that opened a lot of doors for me. I would put my LSU degree up against any other school. The opportunities coming out of LSU, whether graduate or undergraduate just do not avail themselves in Louisiana. Until the state learns how to develop a modern economy, the best and brightest will continue to leave the state.
Those Alums who want LSU as an upper tier school at this point in time, want it for the status it might bestow on them. Louisiana is not going to produce a Top tier school as a long as its economic climate remains the same. In the long run, it is the individual that succeeds regardless of his University. You just need the WANT!
Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:10 pm to randyb
If you're able to make your own way, that's one thing. However the rest of the country has a very low opinion of LSU. In Texas, they really like to hire UT and maybe A&M kids. The perception amongst some is that LSU grads, the ones from Texas at least, weren't smart enough to go to Texas. My friends in accounting from LSU comment about how much of a leg up the UT and A&M kids had when starting out. I know people who started out at UGA then transferred to LSU, and they all said UGA was much harder. At the end of the day college is what you make it, but LSU is not respected nationwide.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:32 pm to Eyeofdtiger75
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Given the close to $100 million cut from the LSU System budget I don't think the school has much of a choice.
I will agree that due to cut backs, these kinds of measures are necessary. But the way I understand this, it is a re-allocation. Where is the savings? This is hypocritical. :beatdeadhorse:
Given the close to $100 million cut from the LSU System budget I don't think the school has much of a choice.
I will agree that due to cut backs, these kinds of measures are necessary. But the way I understand this, it is a re-allocation. Where is the savings? This is hypocritical. :beatdeadhorse:
Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:48 pm to Nunk Red
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I will agree that due to cut backs, these kinds of measures are necessary. But the way I understand this, it is a re-allocation. Where is the savings?
Possibly germans in this long thread, but Lsu is trying to keep the Mark Emmert initiated Flagship Agenda going. I think it was supposed to be realized by either 10 years or 2010 or something like that.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:55 pm to OFWHAP
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I'm not even talking about college here. Louisiana's K-12 education is in shambles. We're annually ranked at the bottom nationally in terms of education.
And what do they do? They keep throwing money in the system ... it's gonna take more than money to fix what's wrong. But in the K-12 situation I think it's not only teachers but the section of the general population that are idiot parents that don't or aren't able to be involved.
TOPS, in my opinion, needs stipulations like when you graduate, if you leave the state you owe $$ back ... don't know how'd they track it though. OR if you flunk out after x amount of time you owe money back ... don't know how they'd get it though (my brother flunked out ... nad YES he should be paying that back).
I'm personally thankful that TOPS is there .. son is a freshman in college at UL until he transfers to LSU next fall ... 4.0 gpa and a 27 ACT. LSU offered $500 per semester for 1 year. Was still alot to swing housing/living when he can live at home and commute in a familiar environment ...he's happy with his decision but can't wait to become a Tiger!
This post was edited on 8/27/10 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:11 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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I am mostly disappointed by the in state people on this board blasting us for being upset by it. Very surprised to be viewed like traitors. The level of bitterness is shocking.
No one is hating on people for leaving the state after graduating from LSU. All the more power to you, and I have no problem with it.
I do have a problem with people feeling entitled that because they went and graduated from LSU and may give some money to TAF and even the Alumni association, should get a discount for their kids to go to school.
If so many of you are "great" alumni like they claim, LSU wouldn't have the lowest level of Alumni support in the SEC on the academic side, yet somehow it does. Plain and simple, you are an out of state resident and so are your kids. If you want in state tuition, then move back to the state or set up residency somehow.
If your claiming to have made a million times the money I have and donated so much to LSU, why the hell are you bitching about out of state costs? If you love LSU so much, you'd send your kids there anyhow.
In the end, Bengal Legacy for kids that are elite is fine, but going to kids that are average is stupid and a waste and brings absolutely no major benefit to LSU.
In thee end, I agree with this measure, because there has to be some benefit for those LSU alumni that actually stay in Louisiana and try to fix the system rather than just throw some money to TAF from afar and bitch when their kids won't get in-state tuition prices.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:14 pm to tiger91
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:21 pm to tiger91
People down here don't care about education as much as the rest of the country. We care more about sports and having a leisurely lifestyle.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:23 pm to LSUMafia
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I do have a problem with people feeling entitled
You are not reading my posts if you think that is what I am saying.
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claiming to have made a million times the money I have
You need to get your people right. I never said anything like that.
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benefit for those LSU alumni that actually stay in Louisiana and try to fix the system
I am sure all those Tops recipients, many of whom are below average are really working on fixing things.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:26 pm to LSUMafia
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No one is hating on people for leaving the state after graduating from LSU. All the more power to you, and I have no problem with it.
I do have a problem with people feeling entitled that because they went and graduated from LSU and may give some money to TAF and even the Alumni association, should get a discount for their kids to go to school.
If so many of you are "great" alumni like they claim, LSU wouldn't have the lowest level of Alumni support in the SEC on the academic side, yet somehow it does. Plain and simple, you are an out of state resident and so are your kids. If you want in state tuition, then move back to the state or set up residency somehow.
If your claiming to have made a million times the money I have and donated so much to LSU, why the hell are you bitching about out of state costs? If you love LSU so much, you'd send your kids there anyhow.
In the end, Bengal Legacy for kids that are elite is fine, but going to kids that are average is stupid and a waste and brings absolutely no major benefit to LSU.
In thee end, I agree with this measure, because there has to be some benefit for those LSU alumni that actually stay in Louisiana and try to fix the system rather than just throw some money to TAF from afar and bitch when their kids won't get in-state tuition prices.
OK since you're being civil now I'll rescind the anger in my previous post. So...what do YOU want LSU to be--flagship university leading the state into the future, or something else? I don't mean that sarcastically either, because the desire of the populace will determine where we point our collective nose...
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:57 pm to AFTiger
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what do YOU want LSU to be
This is a good question.
I was excited because I see a huge difference in LSU now and what it was when I was there. From an academic standpoint I mean.
But if the people in the state are fine with it being a second/third tier school where football is the most important aspect of the school there is nothing really wrong with that.
But the top LA students will try to get out, and the top out of state kids will laugh at the thought of going there.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:58 pm to AFTiger
A lot of people from my graduating class went to LSU due to our '03 NC. People don't really go there for academics. Pretty much football, partying, it's cheap, and it's not that hard to get into.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:56 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Ralph you are one delusional bastard
Posted on 8/27/10 at 10:26 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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This is a good question.
I was excited because I see a huge difference in LSU now and what it was when I was there. From an academic standpoint I mean.
But if the people in the state are fine with it being a second/third tier school where football is the most important aspect of the school there is nothing really wrong with that.
But the top LA students will try to get out, and the top out of state kids will laugh at the thought of going there
No sure I agree that there's nothing really wrong with that. It's been 23 years since i graduated-one day I'd like to be able to say that my brothers and kinsmen saw the opportunity to be the best and took it. As a flagship university, LSU should definitely be a consideration for every top 10% graduate in the state. Individual programs are already there, why not the whole university?
Posted on 8/27/10 at 11:52 pm to AFTiger
In state taxes are just a small piece of the pie. By making it more difficult for legacy kids to attaend, and they don't come you lose various fees, which LSU is good at. Tuition is only about50% of the costs. There are activity fees, security fees, fees associated with filing or pulling files. There are at least $2000.00 in fees that are charged every semester.
Plus housing, either on campus or private, food purchases, auto care, fuel, clothes, books, adult beverages, movie rentals, nightclubs, restaurants, bars, dry cleaners,furniture,...you name it. If the student is not here, then none of this gets bought and profits and sales taxes go elswhere. Plus parents won't visit, thats hotels, restarants, fuel ...and more.
I still come to games, but now that I know I am considered a leech and dispensible, I'll try very hard not to leave any money in LA. And while I am not a huge donor, it will now be zero donations.
If you think I should kiss your arse, not so fast my friend, you can take giant sucking pucker on mine, nes pas?
Plus housing, either on campus or private, food purchases, auto care, fuel, clothes, books, adult beverages, movie rentals, nightclubs, restaurants, bars, dry cleaners,furniture,...you name it. If the student is not here, then none of this gets bought and profits and sales taxes go elswhere. Plus parents won't visit, thats hotels, restarants, fuel ...and more.
I still come to games, but now that I know I am considered a leech and dispensible, I'll try very hard not to leave any money in LA. And while I am not a huge donor, it will now be zero donations.
If you think I should kiss your arse, not so fast my friend, you can take giant sucking pucker on mine, nes pas?
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