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re: My thoughts on the Kevin Steele hire

Posted on 7/4/15 at 11:53 am to
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
7826 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 11:53 am to
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because they always have GoodOleLess to fall back on when a helluva offensive play needs to work, ala option to short side of field.


C'mon now, lets not go there. In his defense though, I don't think it's to the short side on purpose. At the college level, you're going to put your best guys on the left side. So you're going to run to the left side, regardless of the hash mark.

The option plays though... I can't even defend that. Perrilloux can run it, and Jefferson ran it well in the GT game in 2008. That's about it.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:01 pm to
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LSU now essentially has the three best coordinators in CFB at their positions. Steele just needs to manage all of the parts.


The defensive staff does fit well together.......
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
7826 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:05 pm to
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r. LSU appears to be getting the Jimmy's and Joe's it wants with the hire of Steele and Orgeron. We will have to wait and see if Steele's X's and O's are as good as his ability to get Jimmy's and Joe's.


Every coach has their own style. When Pelini was here, I swear he never blitzed (someone will find some stats to refute this, but that was my impression). He could do that because LSU had absolute monsters on the D-line; much like Tom Coughlin in NY, he never had to blitz because he had perennial all-pros on the line. The only time i remember us blitzing a lot was against Ohio State in 2007, because it became apparent that none of their receivers would beat anyone in the secondary.

Chavis mixed it up a little more with delayed LB'er blitzes and corner blitzes. The D-Lines were still great, but it seemed more about gap control first, and then bring in pass rushers on obvious passing downs.

I can't speak to Steele's scheme, other than historically its been a 3-4 with an emphasis on masking coverages by moving safeties and LB'ers to different spots; but Orgeron is all about getting the D-Line up the field and to the QB.

Time will tell. I think LSU is set up really well for the future. Other than Coach O bolting for a HC or prestigious D Coordinator gig, I think the staff here right now will be Miles' last, which could be good or bad.
Posted by YellowShoe
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2006
1381 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:17 pm to
You reply to a post was
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You have a pretty high opinion of yourself, don't you?


And you follow up with
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I commented on a link YOU posted, and I know it stung when I pointed out the article said the opposite of what you tried to make it say.

I'm not that interested to go do your bidding and link articles. I told you, Google is your friend.

I assure you they are out there. Look for them. The practice will help improve your research methods.


Looks like having a high opinion is not only reserved to your poster. You seem to have pretty high opinion about your Googling skills. Take a deep breath. Take your head off your rear end first.
Posted by TampaTiger22
Tampa, FL
Member since Jul 2012
6669 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:19 pm to
We have had no pass rush the past couple of seasons. We have also had a year at QB of inexperience . We will be back
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22320 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:46 pm to
Will we see the Steele + O effect at 100% in year 1? Is the D quick enough to learn it and show it on the field on game day - this year?
Posted by G&P
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2013
1981 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:55 pm to
Chavis flunked.

He could not beat Bama.

You either kick Bama's arse, or we find a new coach.

Kevin Steele is up.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16836 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:58 pm to
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You either kick Bama's arse, or we find a new coach.


So, how will you feel if Miles loses his fifth straight to the gumps this season?
Posted by G&P
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2013
1981 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 1:02 pm to
I'm a big Miles supporter.

He knows more than I what is expected.

Miles made the right offseason' moves.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202994 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 1:13 pm to
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Then why has LSU declined each year since "21-0" to the current 8-5 and "Unranked" status? Talent has been there except at one position last season. The "Talent" at Alabama is no better than at LSU, yet they win the SEC and/or NC with consistent regularity. Keep everything the exact same at both programs, but just switch Head Coaches and LSU would immediately win the SEC. I can guarantee with 100% certainty that Saban isn't going to be running a "Pro-Set I-Form Offense" that's designed for "Drop Back under Center" QB's with "Spread Shotgun" QB's. No way the man would force the square peg into the round hole. He's smarter than that. Talent is important, but it's NOT 99% important. It has to be complimented by some degree of competent game mangement and organization from the head coach. Enough is enough. Time to finish first in the SEC West minimum. It could happen if BH "Pulls a Jameis" in his second year and major injuries are avoided on defense and the OL...............





Great post............
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202994 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 1:16 pm to
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Chavis flunked



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He could not beat Bama



So Miles flunked too right?????



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You either kick Bama's arse, or we find a new coach.



So why is Miles still here???????????????
Posted by danb5056
Alabama
Member since Feb 2015
70 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 1:19 pm to
dude I gotta tell you you sound like a prick and there is no sense in being all negative man just let the season play out and we can rate the Steele hire at a later time
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16836 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 1:24 pm to
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Alabama recruits at an almost untouchable level. Seriously. Nick Saban gets the best talent on a yearly basis. If anything, his on field results are just slightly underachieving compared to his recruiting rankings.


That's funny, every preseason since 2011 this board is filled with posters crowing that "Alabama is rebuilding this year! This is our year! Alabama's lost this! Alabama's lost that! Alabama has a new and inexperienced quarterback!,etc. etc."

Since 2011, the consensus from the Rant resident experts is that every year the gumps are rebuilding and we have a ton of talent coming back or coming in and it is our year.

Then every year we finish in the middle of the SEC West pack and the "rebuilding" gumps go to the BCS national championship game or the playoffs.

I've never seen any close-to-significant number of posters on here say in any preseason: "Oh, we're the underdogs! Alabama has so much more talent than us!"
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
7826 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 1:31 pm to
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The "Talent" at Alabama is no better than at LSU, yet they win the SEC and/or NC with consistent regularity.


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I can guarantee with 100% certainty that Saban isn't going to be running a "Pro-Set I-Form Offense" that's designed for "Drop Back under Center" QB's with "Spread Shotgun" QB's.


Since Crowton left, it was Steve Kragthorpe/Studd, then Cameron. No continuity. I liked Crowton. But he didn't mesh with Les, which is why we always saw those ridiculous wholesale changes for substitutions.

2015/2016 should be markedly better. Cameron's been with Jennings for three years now and Jennings has an entire year starting under his belt. Harris, god forbid he plays, was recruited by Cameron and will have had two springs/summers and limited live reps.

If LSU isn't in the top half of the conference for QB Rating, efficiency, and completion percentage, Cameron needs to go.
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
11727 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 2:06 pm to
Steele alone could have been a worry. With coach O on staff IMO it is an upgrade from the previous D staff.
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
11727 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 2:07 pm to
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by semjase
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Talent is 99% of it.
Then why has LSU declined each year since "21-0" to the current 8-5 and "Unranked" status?

Talent has been there except at one position last season.

The "Talent" at Alabama is no better than at LSU, yet they win the SEC and/or NC with consistent regularity.

Keep everything the exact same at both programs, but just switch Head Coaches and LSU would immediately win the SEC.

I can guarantee with 100% certainty that Saban isn't going to be running a "Pro-Set I-Form Offense" that's designed for "Drop Back under Center" QB's with "Spread Shotgun" QB's.

No way the man would force the square peg into the round hole. He's smarter than that.

Talent is important, but it's NOT 99% important. It has to be complimented by some degree of competent game mangement and organization from the head coach.

Enough is enough. Time to finish first in the SEC West minimum.

It could happen if BH "Pulls a Jameis" in his second year and major injuries are avoided on defense and the OL...............





So what you are trying to say is that w/o a QB talent only gets you so far.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63358 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 2:38 pm to
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I liked Crowton.


Credibility [OFF] [on]
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
7826 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 2:48 pm to
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Credibility [OFF] [on]





I know, I know. But you can't argue with some of his results. Title in 2007. 38.5 points per game. 3154 passing yards, 29 passing TDs (29 f*cking passing TDs), 6,000+ yards of total offense, and 500+ total points.

The Les-Crowton dynamic was terrible, which is why you'd see these ridiculous wholesale chances on the field depending on down and distance, but the guy's offense wasn't a total POS.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:56 pm to
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The "Talent" at Alabama is no better than at LSU


yes it is. have you been watching the recruiting rankings? and, a ton of TOP La. talent, guys that would be starting for LSU have gone there since Saban's arrival. while we are close to their level, they have the best 2 deep talent in the country, bar none.

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Keep everything the exact same at both programs, but just switch Head Coaches and LSU would immediately win the SEC.


it's so great of you to say something that YOU can't prove. no one else can either. and, to make your post even less credible you are talking about Sabin to LSU. IF SABIN WAS AT LSU. IF SABIN WAS AT LSU.

newsflash; Sabin left LSU 10 fricking years ago. he's NOT coming back.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:02 pm to
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Completely false. LSU recruits at a very high level. Alabama recruits at an almost untouchable level. Seriously. Nick Saban gets the best talent on a yearly basis.


This is actually whats completely false...

Sure, Bama has had a better ranking in terms of recruiting over the last few years. But it doesnt matter what a 17year old kid that has rarely gone against equal talent in high school is ranked. What matters is how that player performs at the college level and how they do in the NFL. High school rankings dont mean anything once they step on a college campus. Our 2009 recruiting class was ranked 1st in the nation and it had 11 NFL players, same amount as the 2010 and 2011 class which were both ranked 8th in the nation. Just because someone is a high ranked recruit doesnt mean they will become a high caliber player in college or in the NFL.

LSU has had 39 drafted players, and 46 total players active, from 2010 til now. Bama has had 44 players drafted, and 49 total active players, from 2010 to now. Active players does not include players from 2015 draft and FA. Thats an extremely small margin. And a lot of analysts say that Alabama has had a lot of draft picks that have underachieved in the NFL, and some are very very early draft picks.

To say we arent as talented as Alabama is just false. We have and have had just as much talent as Alabama does / did. Go through each position and compare the players for each team over the last 5-6 years or so. Its a push at probably every group except they get the edge for LBs and probably a slight edge at OL and we get the edge with DBs.

The difference is that they have handled their QBs better than we have and they make sure they always have a capable QB on their roster. They can be top 5 team in the country with an average at best QB(just went 12-2 with Blake Sims and were ranked in the top 5 all but 2 weeks and most of the time they were ranked #1 or #2). They make less mistakes across the board, including coaching staff and play calling. They cater to their QB and what he can and cant do and do their best at putting them in good situations.

We are just as talented as Bama is. Period. The difference is what you can get out of the QB spot. They get more out of their QBs than we do, and get more out of QBs that are average at best than we do.
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and they did a much better job after the Arkansas fiasco last year

So it took them 11 games to finally make a tweak to the offense? Awesome.
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