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My thoughts on the Kevin Steele hire
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:06 am
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:06 am
With all the talk about Lsu's prestige and that they could've went with a bigger name i have to disagree. Bigger names want their own guys. Steele can recruit, we keep Ed o and Raymond, he's worked under some big time defensive minds, Saban hired him twice for a reason. Clemson stint wasn't so bad until final year and they got much better with most of his recruits. Now we have Best recruiting staff in college football. Talent is 99% of it.. Have s feeling he's gonna look really good the next 3 years. Thanks Kevin Sumlin!
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 3:42 pm
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:03 am to bayoubengalfan4life
quote:Then why has LSU declined each year since "21-0" to the current 8-5 and "Unranked" status?
Talent is 99% of it.
Talent has been there except at one position last season.
The "Talent" at Alabama is no better than at LSU, yet they win the SEC and/or NC with consistent regularity.
Keep everything the exact same at both programs, but just switch Head Coaches and LSU would immediately win the SEC.
I can guarantee with 100% certainty that Saban isn't going to be running a "Pro-Set I-Form Offense" that's designed for "Drop Back under Center" QB's with "Spread Shotgun" QB's.
No way the man would force the square peg into the round hole. He's smarter than that.
Talent is important, but it's NOT 99% important. It has to be complimented by some degree of competent game mangement and organization from the head coach.
Enough is enough. Time to finish first in the SEC West minimum.
It could happen if BH "Pulls a Jameis" in his second year and major injuries are avoided on defense and the OL...............
Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:07 am to bayoubengalfan4life
We won't know for sure until they step onto the field but I'm with you on this. With phenomenal recruiting and excellent position coaching I can't be more excited about the way things are shaping up. I see it like this. He's a proven college football coach and has a ridiculous amount of talent chomping at the bit to show out. I think the D will be special and elite for yrs to come.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:13 am to JJBTiger2012
8-5 is not a decline? Stovall's last Season 0-6 in the SEC now that's a decline!
Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:17 am to semjase
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Then why has LSU declined each year since "21-0" to the current 8-5 and "Unranked" status?
Junior class attrition and lack of QB talent have had more to do with this than X's and O's.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:52 am to semjase
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The "Talent" at Alabama is no better than at LSU, yet they win the SEC and/or NC with consistent regularity.
Anybody that believes this is true has P & G glasses on.
Now, the way we recruited in 2014 ('15 class) and now ('16 class), that's a different story. BUT, we have had to catch up to the overall talent level that Bama has met for 4-5 years.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:05 am to semjase
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Talent has been there except at one position last season. The "Talent" at Alabama is no better than at LSU, yet they win the SEC and/or NC with consistent regularity.
I agree with everything you posted, except this. Chavis' defense relies on two things more than most defenses. First is a first rate secondary, and we've had that. Second is two outstanding run stopping DTs. We have not had that since 2011
Chavis recruited small DEs and LBs which allowed LSU to excel against the speed of the modern offenses, but it left us vulnerable to the power running plays. In his defense, only two gorillas in the middle could make up for that. In 2011 we had Brockers and Logan. The next year we had Logan and meh; then Anthony Johnson and Ego; and last year it was like a bunch of high school kids. They grew up last year, and they certainly have the talent.
I loved Chavis' defense when it was properly manned, but it hasn't been lately.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:18 am to Malaysian Tiger
If you go from 13-1 to 8-5 with the record getting worse every year, then you have undergone a decline. You should grab a dictionary and look up the definition of decline.
LSU's program the last three seasons has been the epitome of the word decline. For all of the supposed talent, the win-loss record has declined and that's the bottom line. That's all that matters.
LSU's program the last three seasons has been the epitome of the word decline. For all of the supposed talent, the win-loss record has declined and that's the bottom line. That's all that matters.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:23 am to bayoubengalfan4life
Let's be honest. There's been a lot of Steele-historical-revisionism going on in the last few months.
Hell, on another thread there was the assertion that the media gave the hire "rave reviews."
What actually happened is Steele was the joke candidate. When Pendergast and other names were being thrown about, someone would post, "Yeah, Les is going to hire Kevin Steele" in the context of that being a big joke, something LSU would NEVER do. And of course the resultant meltdown when he was actually hired.
Rave reviews from the media? Hardly. Practically all the media were saying that out of all the SEC programs that changed DC's, LSU fared the worst and was at rock bottom.
Given this guy's horrible losing record at Baylor and his less than spectacular performance as a DC ... I'm hoping for the best. I'll be happy if he proves my apprehension groundless.
But let's not live in this fantasy world and act like this was some acclaimed hire from the get-go. It wasn't and it's not. This board has on purple and gold preseason glasses.
Okay, it's great to be optimistic in the summer. Every program in the SEC West is. But I've seen the posts predicting national championships before followed by the first few opposing drives of the season and then the meltdown: "This defense is hot garbage!"
So let's be realistic on how the Steele hire was assessed when it happened.
It did NOT get rave reviews.
Hell, on another thread there was the assertion that the media gave the hire "rave reviews."
What actually happened is Steele was the joke candidate. When Pendergast and other names were being thrown about, someone would post, "Yeah, Les is going to hire Kevin Steele" in the context of that being a big joke, something LSU would NEVER do. And of course the resultant meltdown when he was actually hired.
Rave reviews from the media? Hardly. Practically all the media were saying that out of all the SEC programs that changed DC's, LSU fared the worst and was at rock bottom.
Given this guy's horrible losing record at Baylor and his less than spectacular performance as a DC ... I'm hoping for the best. I'll be happy if he proves my apprehension groundless.
But let's not live in this fantasy world and act like this was some acclaimed hire from the get-go. It wasn't and it's not. This board has on purple and gold preseason glasses.
Okay, it's great to be optimistic in the summer. Every program in the SEC West is. But I've seen the posts predicting national championships before followed by the first few opposing drives of the season and then the meltdown: "This defense is hot garbage!"
So let's be realistic on how the Steele hire was assessed when it happened.
It did NOT get rave reviews.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 7:25 am
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:32 am to semjase
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Then why has LSU declined each year since "21-0" to the current 8-5 and "Unranked" status?
The mass exodus to the draft left a gap in talent that caught up to us last year. We had the players, they were just to young. This issue has been fixed in our recruiting philosophy I believe. Really we didn't decline much in 2012, we just got unlucky at the end of the Bama and Clemson games.
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Talent has been there except at one position last season.
Wayyy too young on offense. Our Qb's were a true sophomore and true freshman. Our best RB was a true freshman. Our top 4 receivers were a sophomore, RS freshman, and two true freshman. These guys will be all-conference over the next two seasons, but last year they did about what we should have expected.
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The "Talent" at Alabama is no better than at LSU, yet they win the SEC and/or NC with consistent regularity.
Completely false. LSU recruits at a very high level. Alabama recruits at an almost untouchable level. Seriously. Nick Saban gets the best talent on a yearly basis. If anything, his on field results are just slightly underachieving compared to his recruiting rankings.
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I can guarantee with 100% certainty that Saban isn't going to be running a "Pro-Set I-Form Offense" that's designed for "Drop Back under Center" QB's with "Spread Shotgun" QB's.
Except that's exactly what he did last year. He adjusted the offense slightly to fit the strengths of his team. You'll see the same with LSU this season (and they did a much better job after the Arkansas fiasco last year).
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Talent is important, but it's NOT 99% important. It has to be complimented by some degree of competent game mangement and organization from the head coach.
When Miles has the players, he wins big. Everyone wants to pretend there's something fundamentally wrong with him, but there isn't. His best teams looks really really good, his teams that need work can shite the bed from time to time. This is true of almost all coaches.
It's college football. The teams that recruit on a top 10 national average level are usually the teams you see competing for championships. There are exceptions due to scheduling differences and style of play, but that is generally the rule. Coaches grow and evolve, and Steele has most likely learned a lot since his horrible ending to his Clemson tenure. Plus, he doesn't have to do it alone. Miles, Orgeron, Cooper, and Peveto all know a lot about playing defense. They will help the team gameplan to maximize the chance of winning.
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Enough is enough. Time to finish first in the SEC West minimum.
This season is not the end all be all of the Miles era. But I think if he doesn't have another SEC championship ring by the end of the 2017 season, it's time to shut the door on him.
Miles clearly believes if his assistants get him the talent, he can bring in a championship. He went with a recruiting dream team and it looks to be paying off big. We'll see what happens once the fall gets here.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:39 am to timlan2057
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Rave reviews from the media? Hardly. Practically all the media were saying that out of all the SEC programs that changed DC's, LSU fared the worst and was at rock bottom.
Oh really now?
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It would be a big surprise if the Tigers failed to remain among the conference's feistiest defenses in its first fall under Steele's leadership. So while many of the SEC's 14 new coordinators inherited good situations, LSU's new defensive coordinator looks like the one who is in the best position to experience immediate success.
LINK
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:42 am to bayoubengalfan4life
quote:Best part of the OP
Thanks Kevin Sumlin!
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:44 am to Malaysian Tiger
quote:No, that is a free-fall collapse.
by Malaysian Tiger
8-5 is not a decline? Stovall's last Season 0-6 in the SEC now that's a decline!
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:46 am to tlsu15
Didn't quote the whole article, did you?
LINK
Thanks for proving my point exactly.
The article claimed Steele landed in the best situation.
It nowhere near praised Steele himself as a defensive coordinator.
LINK
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There are also questions about Steele himself. The veteran assistant has been a defensive coordinator twice -- he was Alabama's DC in 2007 and served in the same capacity at Clemson from 2009-11. Steele got mixed reviews at Clemson, and his tenure there ended with an embarrassing bowl flop against West Virginia.
Thanks for proving my point exactly.
The article claimed Steele landed in the best situation.
It nowhere near praised Steele himself as a defensive coordinator.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:50 am to semjase
quote:
Then why has LSU declined each year since "21-0" to the current 8-5 and "Unranked" status?
No QB....that is a LEADER!!!!
Can't be consistently successful without very solid QB.
Don't say Mett was a leader. You need both talent and leadership at that position.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:51 am to timlan2057
You said the media said that LSU "fared the worst and hit rock bottom" with the Kevin Steele hire. What they actually said was the exact opposite and my link proves that.
Are there people with questions about the Steele hire? Absolutely. He deserves a lot of the skepticism. I think the defensive staff as a whole though is pretty damn solid.
Are there people with questions about the Steele hire? Absolutely. He deserves a lot of the skepticism. I think the defensive staff as a whole though is pretty damn solid.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:54 am to bayoubengalfan4life
I'm taking a wait and see approach. I do believe that a big part of coaching is the Jimmy's and the Joe's rather than the X's and the O's. Great players make coaches look good. Steele is set up to succeed. He has a great D line coach and a great secondary coach. So he will have extremely talented and well coached players. He won't need to be a genius. Just let his ball players do what they do.
Let's use Brick Haley as an example. When he had Mingo, Montgomery, Logan, and Brockers, he was a great D line coach. When he had Hunter, Rasco, Lacoture, and Godchaux, his lines weren't the same. Did he forget how to coach? Nope, he just had better players.
Chavis ran the same D since 2011 so why didn't somebody make plays like Tyrann Mathieu did? The answer is that Dwayne Thomas isn't Tyrann Mathieu. Same system but works completely different due to the player executing it.
Let's use Brick Haley as an example. When he had Mingo, Montgomery, Logan, and Brockers, he was a great D line coach. When he had Hunter, Rasco, Lacoture, and Godchaux, his lines weren't the same. Did he forget how to coach? Nope, he just had better players.
Chavis ran the same D since 2011 so why didn't somebody make plays like Tyrann Mathieu did? The answer is that Dwayne Thomas isn't Tyrann Mathieu. Same system but works completely different due to the player executing it.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 8:03 am
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:58 am to tlsu15
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You said the media said that LSU "fared the worst and hit rock bottom" with the Kevin Steele hire. What they actually said was the exact opposite and my link proves that.
Uh, you DO know this wasn't the only newspaper/internet article analyzing the Steele hire, don't you? There are those that rated LSU's defensive coordinator hire at the bottom of the new SEC hires.
They are there. Google is your friend.
And this article was exactly in that vein regarding Steele HIMSELF. You know ... the part you conveniently didn't quote but that I quoted for you?
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:00 am to timlan2057
Show me a link then.
I showed you one calling Steele a new coordinator in the SEC in the best position to succeed.
Give me one where they call him the worst.
I showed you one calling Steele a new coordinator in the SEC in the best position to succeed.
Give me one where they call him the worst.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:11 am to tlsu15
You have a pretty high opinion of yourself, don't you? 
I commented on a link YOU posted, and I know it stung when I pointed out the article said the opposite of what you tried to make it say.
I'm not that interested to go do your bidding and link articles. I told you, Google is your friend.
But journalists who rated the Steele hire behind Chavis at A&M, Muschamp at Auburn, etc?
I assure you they are out there. Look for them. The practice will help improve your research methods.
I commented on a link YOU posted, and I know it stung when I pointed out the article said the opposite of what you tried to make it say.
I'm not that interested to go do your bidding and link articles. I told you, Google is your friend.
But journalists who rated the Steele hire behind Chavis at A&M, Muschamp at Auburn, etc?
I assure you they are out there. Look for them. The practice will help improve your research methods.
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