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re: Miles Statements about pressure debunked.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:37 pm to BillF
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:37 pm to BillF
I really think that Les goes by what his QB's do in practice, and not what they do on the field.
He was dead convinced that JJ was the better QB, and was happy to have a reason to pull Lee from the games.
He was dead convinced that JJ was the better QB, and was happy to have a reason to pull Lee from the games.
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:37 pm to udtiger
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Posted by udtiger Plus, a realistic passing threat would open up the run some, and scale back some of that pressure.
Maybe but they weren't having to commit any extra defenders to run d. They sat back and stuffed our run game with their front. Complete domination.
Lee should have at least got a shot tho.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:39 pm to BayouBlitz
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Lee doesn't take many sacks...he mostly throws the ball up for grabs, as evidenced by his two picks in the first game.
Jordan Jefferson has 2 interceptions in 100 pass attempts. He throws an interception on 2% of his pass attempts.
Jarrett Lee has 3 interceptions on 167 pass attempts. He throws an interception on 1.8% of his pass attempts.
I can't find the stats on fumbles but if you factored all of Jefferson's fumbled snaps ( I can think of at least 3) I'll bet he turns the ball over way more than Lee. I'll also bet that Jefferson ends up in 3rd and long way more than also.
Whats your next argument?
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:42 pm to Tiger Vision
Alabama was expecting Jordan Jefferson for 6 weeks of preparation. How unexpected would it have been to have started J. Lee and come out throwing against their 8 in the box like they did.
Bama went against it's tendencies (good coaching) and we stuck with the same ole "you know".
Bama went against it's tendencies (good coaching) and we stuck with the same ole "you know".
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:43 pm to Tiger Vision
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Jordan Jefferson was sacked 14 times in 100 pass attempts this season. He took a sack on 14% of his pass attempts.
Jarrett Lee was sacked 4 times in 167 pass attempts this season. He took a sack on 2.4% of his pass attempts.
Wow. What I want to know is why we didn't continue running the offense with Lee even after the 1st Alabama game? Lee is a much better passer, has a quick release, and can spot the open man. The only thing JJ brought to the table was a running threat. Miles sacrificed a passing threat for a running threat. Was running the option really that important?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:46 pm to Tigerik
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Alabama was expecting Jordan Jefferson for 6 weeks of preparation. How unexpected would it have been to have started J. Lee and come out throwing against their 8 in the box like they did.
I was thinking this before the game (but of course had no hope that it would actually happen). It was a long shot but in hindsight it might have been the only way we were going to beat them.
As for stacking the box, they didn't really stack 8 very much. It only seemed that way.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:48 pm to heightstiger
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Lee would have changed #2. I don't buy that with Lee in, they blitz more.
Correct. A QB in the shotgun under an allout bitz with skilled receivers can really burn the defense, no matter how good they are. No one is happier that Les didn't bench JJ after the first quarter than Saban and Smart.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:48 pm to 7thWardTiger
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When JJ is pressured, he hangs in there to a fault in an attempt to take the hit and deliver the ball, and a large number of his sacks loss minimal yardage because he's scrambling back towards the LOS, while on the other hand, Lee is folding up 6 yards in the backfield. Lee gets happy feet, and will toss the ball up for grabs.
Stats paint a picture, but don't tell the whole story.
Don't let facts get in the way of you making your point. Lee took four sacks and threw three picks. Hell in one night JJ took four sacks threw a pick and fumbled (aside from dropping two snaps). Not that you had any credibility, but whatever you had is gone.
So the notion that JL consistently threw balls up for grabs or folded over and took sacks when he got pressured this year is far from the truth.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:53 pm to 7thWardTiger
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Stats paint a picture, but don't tell the whole story.
This one does:
Jordan Jefferson either throws an interception or gets sacked every 6.25 pass attempts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:56 pm to Tiger Vision
quote:Both of Jordan Jefferson's interceptions came when he was scrambling and trying to make a play(The arky INT along the sideline, and the play against Bama where he thought Ware was gonna cut across, but instead Ware went to block.
Jordan Jefferson has 2 interceptions in 100 pass attempts. He throws an interception on 2% of his pass attempts.
Jarrett Lee has 3 interceptions on 167 pass attempts. He throws an interception on 1.8% of his pass attempts.
While I do applaud your use of basic math skills, i
at you trying to use stats to prove the point that JL was better under pressure. I don't have the time, or else i would go back and watch every single LSU offensive snap with both at qb and post the number of times where Lee threw the bubble to Beckham or shep(I can guesstimate that now looking at the stats) and how many times he got the happy feet and threw the ball up. Everyone in the nation say what Lee does under pressure on Nov 5th. 2-7 24 yards, 2 INTs. 
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:57 pm to ellessuuuu
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Not that you had any credibility, but whatever you had is gone.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:02 pm to 7thWardTiger
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Both of Jordan Jefferson's interceptions came when he was scrambling and trying to make a play(The arky INT along the sideline, and the play against Bama where he thought Ware was gonna cut across, but instead Ware went to block.
see not JJ's fault. you're a clown.
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i at you trying to use stats to prove the point that JL was better under pressure
it's a fact. The numbers dont agree with your ill-formed and WRONG opinion.
That isn't the fault of the numbers....it's your fault. (see still like JJ, not ever your fault, you gotta be family)
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:08 pm to 7thWardTiger
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i at you trying to use stats to prove the point that JL was better under pressure
Jordan Jefferson either throws an interception or gets sacked every 6.25 pass attempts
Jarrett Lee either throws an interception or gets sacked every 23.8 pass attempts
Whatever the circumstances are around these 2 stats are really irrelevant because this probably the most telling stat of all. Would you start QB that gets sacked or throws an Int every 6.25 pass attempts?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:11 pm to CptBengal
quote:did i say it wasn't his fault. One was pressing to make a play, one was a miscommunication. Both are his fault, but neither are terrible. There both equivalent to when a running back fumbles fighting for extra yards.
see not JJ's fault. you're a clown.
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it's a fact. The numbers dont agree with your ill-formed and WRONG opinion.
You want it to be a fact. If football was only about numbers and stats, then WVU would have beaten us. Everything isn't about stats. quote:the numbers are correct, but numbers don't tell the story. You really don't know shite about football. I doubt you even understand the concepts of Iso's, power's, hard & soft corners, zone blocking as opposed to base blocking, etc. You probably think we should just throw post routes against Bama's cover 2 all day. Hell, you probably don't even understand the concepts of mesh routes or smash and drive route combinations.
That isn't the fault of the numbers....it's your fault.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Quick, what's a bear front? Don't know. What about an eagle front?
Man, get the frick outta here brah!!
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:13 pm to 7thWardTiger
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the numbers are correct, but numbers don't tell the story. You really don't know shite about football. I doubt you even understand the concepts of Iso's, power's, hard & soft corners, zone blocking as opposed to base blocking, etc. You probably think we should just throw post routes against Bama's cover 2 all day. Hell, you probably don't even understand the concepts of mesh routes or smash and drive route combinations.
So you play Madden? XBOX 360 or PS3?
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:13 pm to BayouBlitz
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he mostly throws the ball up for grabs, as evidenced by his two picks in the first game.
So based on that small sample size you conclude that he "mostly" throws the ball up for grabs despite having only one INT in the first 8 games?
You're a fricking dumb arse
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:15 pm to 7thWardTiger
Did anybody hear Hightower say after the game something to the effect of, "We didn't even really blitz them tonight - we were surprised we didn't have to."?? AND HE'S RIGHT!!!! that's what hurts so much.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:22 pm to Tiger Vision
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Jordan Jefferson either throws an interception or gets sacked every 6.25 pass attempts
Jarrett Lee either throws an interception or gets sacked every 23.8 pass attempts
Whatever the circumstances are around these 2 stats are really irrelevant because this probably the most telling stat of all. Would you start QB that gets sacked or throws an Int every 6.25 pass attempts?
I would love for someone to review the tapes and find out the percentage of pass plays that JJ never even attempts a pass. The biggest reason that we needed Lee (or Mett) was that they would actually throw the ball. JJ was afraid to.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:25 pm to mmcgrath
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The biggest reason that we needed Lee (or Mett) was that they would actually throw the ball. JJ was afraid to.
He has always been gun shy. When he does throw down field his passes are under thrown or late as well resulting in less YAC.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:28 pm to Tiger Vision
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Would you start QB that gets sacked or throws an Int every 6.25 pass attempts?
For three straight seasons!
Signed,
Les Miles
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