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re: "Miles is untouchable now"
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:17 pm to noonan
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:17 pm to noonan
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The truth is, he thinks his offense is the best way for him to win games. That's why we've had that offensive philosophy in the past. Why would he change if he thinks the offense we have been running is his best chance to win?
So true.
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:17 pm to Navytiger74
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and the 2012 victory was against one of their worst teams in two decades--we won 12-10.
Jonathan Wallace
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:18 pm to Navytiger74
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Fair enough. But they were by 2 and 4 points respectively, and the 2012 victory was against one of their worst teams in two decades--we won 12-10.
That was also with us running a new QB in his first road start early in the year. You can quantify that game many different ways, but regardless we won.
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So let's just say I won't be marking it down as one that could just about go either way until I see what we both field next year.
That's fine, but that guy saying we could easily lose all those games is just saying nothing basically.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If there isn't improvement 2016 would be his last
I just don't see it that way. He doesn't have to listen to his boss. Alleva has been taken out of the decision cycle. The buyout is more real than the decline to Alexander. Les can stay as long as he wants.
We will continue to hear:
We'll be better next year
You can't fire a guy with his winning percentage
He's so loveable
As long as Saban is at Alabama how can we expect to win?
We have lots of young starters
We are going to destroy Arky and Ole Miss next time
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:23 pm to LNCHBOX
how does a lame duck coach recruit?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:23 pm to noonan
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So you think he purposefully played an offense that he knew wasn't good enough? And now that his job is "on the line" he's going to go with a different offense?
The truth is, he thinks his offense is the best way for him to win games. That's why we've had that offensive philosophy in the past. Why would he change if he thinks the offense we have been running is his best chance to win?
pretty good point
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:24 pm to cas4t
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Even lunchbox and beefense will be calling for his head if he goes 9-3
Bookmark this and let's find out.
I don't know either of them personally, but my experience with some good friends that are LSU and Miles supporters starts out the same way every year. They agree, something needs to change, and Les is going to make the change the upcoming year. They predict SEC West championship every year, with 1, maybe 2 losses. If not, no problem with a change.
Then, after every year, it's that you cannot blame Miles for what happened. There were:
1. Unexpected injuries (like no other team has them)
2. So many youths starting in key positions.
3. Referee conspiracy against LSU, causing them to cheat so we lose.
4. Unfair scheduling.
5. Unfair weather.
6. Prior coaching issues, that are carrying over for another year.
Etc., etc., etc.
Look, these aren't Les' fault. Give him one more year, we are set up for next year to be our year, trust me.
Rinse/repeat
I bought it for years. It was only this year when I finally said, enough, I ain't buying it anymore.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:24 pm to noonan
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Why would he change if he thinks the offense we have been running is his best chance to win?
Because he's currently winning about half of his SEC west games with that offense.
When he was dropping 1 or 2 games a year with that strategy the natives were cool with it. Now they're restless.
He knows he's done if he trots out that excruciating offense next year and drops 3 or 4 games.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:25 pm to Navytiger74
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We almost never beat Auburn in the Barn
2-3 there, losses in 06, 10, 14. Seems like we arent due til 18.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:26 pm to Festus
I said all last week that if Miles was fired after Saturday, it wouldn't surprise me and I'd totally understand it. My only contention as that a home run hire would need to be made because the expectations would be through the roof for the replacement for a guy that has won close to 80% of his games here.
I'm not sure how I got put in the Miles over LSU crowd, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
I'm not sure how I got put in the Miles over LSU crowd, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:28 pm to Bayoutigre
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how does a lame duck coach recruit?
LSU needs to fire Alleva and double down on Miles.
That might help.
And why not? Alleva was publicly neutered for all to see.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:30 pm to Salmon
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Why would he not think "if I don't fix this I'm definitely out next year"?
I've defended Les over the years on many occasions, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even finish next season if our offense still struggles.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:32 pm to kbro
Why wasn't he trying his best to win games before?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:32 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I honestly don't see how any sane person can disagree with this. I was in the same boat, though I think the entire affair was handled shoddily.
I said all last week that if Miles was fired after Saturday, it wouldn't surprise me and I'd totally understand it. My only contention as that a home run hire would need to be made because the expectations would be through the roof for the replacement for a guy that has won close to 80% of his games here.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:33 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'm not sure how I got put in the Miles over LSU crowd, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
Right or wrong, the impression you give out is that you have an excuse for every criticism, and so people probably assume you are a Miles supporter over LSU. Plus, you had pretty harsh words for Alleva, who is the LSU AD, and one could argue you don't love LSU because you bash him, like it's argued that bashing Les means the same.
I have no idea, just a thought. My point is, bookmark the thread and see next year. If LSU goes 9-3, and you are arguing he should be kept, then I'd believe what you're saying now, he has one more year or we need change.
My only point was a few of my friends say it, but when the chips are down, they don't mean it, but have justification for changing their minds.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:33 pm to panterica
God, this board has turned into a shite show. Unfortunately, it's going to be the same regurgitated shite until after the Alabama game next year when this same shite is going to happen
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:34 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'm not sure how I got put in the Miles over LSU crowd
You've been posting constantly about this since it started, and most of your posts are hostile in nature. Just like most posts from the perceived Miles-over-LSU posters.
Chicken even told you to calm down.
You have valid points, even if I disagree with some of them. Even Beefense and Choctaw, who are aggressively dicks, have said there needs to be change. Gray Tiger, ballscaster, etc. are totally irrational.
If you don't want to be lumped in with them, chill out.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:35 pm to LsuNav
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We'll be better next year
You can't fire a guy with his winning percentage
He's so loveable
As long as Saban is at Alabama how can we expect to win?
We have lots of young starters
We are going to destroy Arky and Ole Miss next time
They were better this year, people saying that were right. But this isn't said every year. It's no diff than people saying we will go 7-5 every year and that doesn't happen either.
He does have the best winning percentage in LSU history. So for 122 seasons no other coach has done better. History is on the side if the next coach not replicating that.
He is likeable, don't see what's wrong with that statement or how it has anything to do with him coaching. I think it's been proven diff personalities can win. There isn't only one type of person that can win.
Saban has a machine. Anyone would have trouble winning the west consistently with him there. And honestly, if not for him no one would want Miles gone because LSU would be the top dog in the sec.
LSU did have a lot of young starters, most teams that play that many youngsters around the country don't go out and win 9-10 games.
So only once in 11 years LSU has lost back to back to one of those teams. So usually LSU does go out and beat those teams the next year.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:36 pm to Jones
too much ego and stubbornness does not = "untouchable".
If anything, the actions of certain TAF supporters, BOS members, and Alleva only CONFIRMED what we should have known...that is....
Miles has been on a tight leash since last year when Alleva sent a signal that he wasn't supporting Miles long-term by keeping Chavis happy & secure enough to stay the course with LSU.....leaving Miles minimal time, money, and options to secure the best DC going forward....lucky to get Steele under such circumstances.
The last 3 weeks have only put a heavy nail in Miles' coffin, because recruits (at a minimum) are spooked...so, unless they are 100% LSU committed (regardless of coach), they may not come to LSU. Same goes for recruiting great coaches to replace the ones we'd like to "improve upon". It will be "thin pickings" unless the LSU administration reverses course on "the Miles clause".
Miles' job just got twice as hard to do because of all of this - not saying there was any other outcome than a massive "come to Jesus" with the whole world watching....but, it's hard to me believe it couldn't have been handled a bit more professionally.
If anything, the actions of certain TAF supporters, BOS members, and Alleva only CONFIRMED what we should have known...that is....
Miles has been on a tight leash since last year when Alleva sent a signal that he wasn't supporting Miles long-term by keeping Chavis happy & secure enough to stay the course with LSU.....leaving Miles minimal time, money, and options to secure the best DC going forward....lucky to get Steele under such circumstances.
The last 3 weeks have only put a heavy nail in Miles' coffin, because recruits (at a minimum) are spooked...so, unless they are 100% LSU committed (regardless of coach), they may not come to LSU. Same goes for recruiting great coaches to replace the ones we'd like to "improve upon". It will be "thin pickings" unless the LSU administration reverses course on "the Miles clause".
Miles' job just got twice as hard to do because of all of this - not saying there was any other outcome than a massive "come to Jesus" with the whole world watching....but, it's hard to me believe it couldn't have been handled a bit more professionally.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:42 pm to LSUintheNW
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We already wanted him gone. Any emotional feelings he had for anyone outside the fans and team is gone. He's done it his way and I believe he will continue to do so. If I were him and they wanted me out, but couldn't do it, I'd certainly have a bigger ego about it. It also wouldn't bother me that I was fired the next season doing it my way as I'm counting my $$$ on the way out the door.
This is starting to remind me of Auburn's failed coup against Tubberville. You could just feel the arrogance oozing off of him after he got the president and athletic director at the University fired, with him left standing.
However, while he managed to get by for a while, it eventually caught up to him. The new administration didn't make the same mistake the second time around. If Miles doesn't retire in a year or two, he will eventually find himself on this end of the gun barrel.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 4:48 pm
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