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re: "Miles is untouchable now"
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:44 pm to kbro
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:44 pm to kbro
quote:I can't help but think how much all this would be different if it wasn't for Mett, Hill, OBJ, and Landry in 2013.
Because he's currently winning about half of his SEC west games with that offense.
When he was dropping 1 or 2 games a year with that strategy the natives were cool with it. Now they're restless.
He knows he's done if he trots out that excruciating offense next year and drops 3 or 4 games.
How much did that "bump" change 2014 - present.
Just a hypothetical to think about.
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:44 pm to dgnx6
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LSU did have a lot of young starters, most teams that play that many youngsters around the country don't go out and win 9-10 games.
Why is it we always have a young team. We have a lot of turnover with Jr's leaving to go pro. Alabama should have the same problem, but I don't see it with them. They either choose to stay, or have a replacement ready when a Jr does go pro. Our guys leave for a reason, and it's not only to be in the NFL.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:46 pm to zsav77
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You've been posting constantly about this since it started, and most of your posts are hostile in nature.
I like how you act like only people that have anything positive to say of Miles are the hostile ones. That's pretty selective of you.
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Chicken even told you to calm down.
Had nothing to do with being pro-Miles.
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If you don't want to be lumped in with them, chill out.
So the anti-Miles people are the only sane ones and anyone who disagrees needs to chill?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:49 pm to Salmon
He knows he will never lose his job if he wins 8-10 games every year.
That means winning the 4 gimmes and going .500 in the SEC.
He's not untouchable, but he's going to continue doing what he's been doing.
That means winning the 4 gimmes and going .500 in the SEC.
He's not untouchable, but he's going to continue doing what he's been doing.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:52 pm to I20goon
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I can't help but think how much all this would be different if it wasn't for Mett, Hill, OBJ, and Landry in 2013.
How much did that "bump" change 2014 - present.
Just a hypothetical to think about.
It absolutely gave us hope that when we had the right QB Miles would be willing to open things up.
The challenge has been that we have not been able to develop the right QB under Miles.
Mettenberger fell in Miles' lap.
He continues to recruit dual threat QBs even though we rarely have them run.
Ironically early in the year we had success running Harris but we inexplicably dropped that from the game plan.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:53 pm to kbro
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Mettenberger fell in Miles' lap.
So now Miles doesn't get the credit for recruiting good players? ETA: But yes, I have no idea why we keep recruiting dual threats. Our best years have been with true passers.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:53 pm to LNCHBOX
Miles did in fact say that engine is not broke. If it's not broke how do you fix it? Same ol Les means same ol LSU
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:54 pm to uway
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That means winning the 4 gimmes and going .500 in the SEC.
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He's not untouchable, but he's going to continue doing what he's been doing.
YEP
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:54 pm to LsuNav
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He doesn't have to listen to his boss. Alleva has been taken out of the decision cycle
I am not an HR expert but do not see it this way. Alleva will document everything, making it clear what is wanted and expected. If Les does not comply multiple times, the paper trail is there to lead to his being fired for cause. This should kill any buyout.
Alleva cannot email that he wants Les to beat Bama, then hold that as a strike against him. He would have to give him specific, job related instructions, then follow up if Les was non compliant.
He did say he looks forward to working with Les at the press conference. Outwardly, it would appear he will stick his paddle in the roux, but underlying, the seething anger was there to to make him start the journey of terminating an unruly employee.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:57 pm to crash1211
quote:Would say tOSU also, at least last 5 years or so
Why is it we always have a young team. We have a lot of turnover with Jr's leaving to go pro. Alabama should have the same problem,
quote:it's a confluence of things probably. Efficiency of practices, scheming, complexity vs individual talent, and of course recruiting. Me personally, that first one is the one I keep wondering about. Bad or inefficient practice time would explain lots of things. At least be a contributor exacerbating lots of issues.
or have a replacement ready when a Jr does go pro.
quote:I disagree with this. Yes there's a couple of players (and their parents) who have some really bad things to say about Miles, LSU, or coaching staff as a whole as far as being "disgruntled" or "unhappy". There's many more that say different. I'm leaving things like play calling, scheme, Wins-Losses out of that by the way. To me, that's a different thing.
Our guys leave for a reason, and it's not only to be in the NFL.
HOWEVER, brings us to a different point and CLM and the coaches under him. Which is his responsibility, and has been a gripe of fans, admin, and some players. While and OBJ and Landry thank CLM and (can't remember name, at SF now I think)their former WR coach for preparing them for the NFL. You have other NFL teams complaining about how much coaching a Danielle Hunter needed when he arrived (and his performance at LSU shows that). There is a real NFL-LSU issue that will catch up to us. Note, one reason some NFL teams love LSU players is they know how to play S/Teams, which is required in the NFL for all but a couple select stars (and QB's). Hope we don't lose that.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:58 pm to LNCHBOX
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So now Miles doesn't get the credit for recruiting good players?
Mark Richt gets credit for recruiting Mett
After Mett screwed up and went to JUCO, sure Miles gets credit for recruiting him. But he did fall in Miles' lap.
Miles DOES get credit for recruiting Harris and Jennings and McMillan - but we'll see how all that turns out.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:59 pm to kbro
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Mark Richt gets credit for recruiting Mett
After Mett screwed up and went to JUCO, sure Miles gets credit for recruiting him. But he did fall in Miles' lap.
So no other schools tried to get him from JUCO?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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A few less drops and penalties on big plays, and yes they absolutely can look better. Couple that with the O line not shitting the bed for 3 weeks in Nov, and our numbers would look very different
You say the OL shite the bed in November as if it was just a coincidence that they started playing poorly.
I think the OL looked bad because they finally faced D lines worth a damn and our offensive philosophy sets them up for failure unless they can physically dominate the opponent.
If that's true, then the offense does need a serious overhaul. Otherwise we will end up with the same situation: beat up on weaker teams and be left "shitting the bed" in the games that determine whether or not we play for championships.
I think Miles isn't going to seriously overhaul the offense. Both because he said that and because this offense has been proven to be capable of winning 8-10 games a year, and he now knows that will keep him employed here until he retires, and with any luck he might actually fall into another championship and get a statue in the parking lot.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:02 pm to crash1211
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Why is it we always have a young team. We have a lot of turnover with Jr's leaving to go pro. Alabama should have the same problem, but I don't see it with them. They either choose to stay, or have a replacement ready when a Jr does go pro. Our guys leave for a reason, and it's not only to be in the NFL.
The leaving early excuse is gone now. 2011 and 2012 were rough, but that hasn't been as bad the last two years. The REAL problem has been unbalanced recruiting, especially on defense and at QB. We signed several secondary guys in 2013 and 14, but few LBs, and we reached on too many DL guys in 2012 and 2013. The result? No depth at LB, with even less next season. 3 DL and 1 LB leave the program, and we are still young and thin up front.
QB has been just as bad. Randall, Rettig, Rivers, and Boulden all bailed (only 2 were worth looking at, but still) and weren't replaced. We had Jennings, but they knew he was really raw and needed time. Nope. It's hard to give a kid time when there's no one else. Now we have McMillan (another project) snd Etling, so at least we will have depth next season, but now we've gone all in on a guy again with Franks, and he isn't coming.
Steele and O are working hard to balance out the defensive recruiting, and if they keep the D side of the class together, it will have a huge impact. However, the offensive side still has issues. Grimes has certainly improved the O Line situation, as Stud did a horrible job there. The staff has done a pretty good job with WRs and RBs, too. The issue has been QB, and it's STILL an issue. All of the top recruits are spoken for at this point, and their aren't any impact JUCO guys left, so unless UGAs big commit bails since Richt was fired, or some other shakeup happens, we are likely back to mining for another project and shopping the transfer market. Again.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:02 pm to LNCHBOX
Miles did in fact say that engine is not broke. If it's not broke how do you fix it? Same ol Les means same ol LSU
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:03 pm to uway
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You say the OL shite the bed in November as if it was just a coincidence that they started playing poorly.
You don't think it was? UF's defense isn't exactly bad. No one expected the beatdown Bama and Arky's lines gave us. Couple that with some injuuries and you get 3 big losses.
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I think Miles isn't going to seriously overhaul the offense
It doesn't need it, so that's fine IMO.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:04 pm to LNCHBOX
Of course - I just said once he got to JUCO Miles gets credit for recruiting him.
But one of the main reasons Mett chose LSU is b/c our QB situation was dire because..... Miles can't develop QBs.... and he could come into a situation with a ton of talent around him and start early ... because Miles can't develop QBs and our options sucked.
Hence the nickname - the Mettsiah
But one of the main reasons Mett chose LSU is b/c our QB situation was dire because..... Miles can't develop QBs.... and he could come into a situation with a ton of talent around him and start early ... because Miles can't develop QBs and our options sucked.
Hence the nickname - the Mettsiah
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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So now Miles doesn't get the credit for recruiting good players?
Sure he does. He got Mett after he was kicked out of Georgia. That was good.
He also got:
Ryan "11" Perilloux
Jordan Jefferson
Jarrett Lee
Russell Shepard
the fat kid from Mississippi
Jeremy Liggins (the other fat kid from Mississippi)
Zach Lee
Almost Gunner Kiel
Hayden Rettig
Jerrard Randall
Rivers the lesser
Brandon Harris
Tony Jennings
Is that everyone?
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:04 pm to vjm41
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Miles did in fact say that engine is not broke. If it's not broke how do you fix it? Same ol Les means same ol LSU
If you say it again, it may not be out of context.
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