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re: Matt Hayes: Jayden Daniels is LSU's QB1, and it's not close

Posted on 12/11/22 at 4:22 am to
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
14857 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 4:22 am to
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Hard on for "not Daniels"


This. I’m halfway convinced the people pumping Daniels are either Kelly shills or just didn’t watch every game.

Anyone who watched LSU football in 2009 and 2014 especially should be hardcore PTSD triggered by 5 and never want to see him drop back to pass again.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20446 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:19 am to
It’s the shut up and take it crowd. Just go with the flow, babe. Having a 9-3 season ain’t that bad…

That’s about what we get with #5.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20446 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:11 am to
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It’s the shut up and take it crowd. Just go with the flow, babe. Having a 9-3 season ain’t that bad…

That’s about what we get with #5.
Jesus Christ

Yes, after 2 straight years of non-winning football, where our coach makes an arse out of himself insulting teams (sissy blue uniforms) and then we proceed to get our arse kicked, and half the roster bails due to the dysfunction;
YES, I take 9-3 and run with it. Consecutive years even, just to be sure we're not about to backslide again.

We have a lot of positions in worse shape than QB, still. Would be nice for "DBU" to have some corners we didn't get in the portal. Linebackers who stop the run. RBs who fricking scare the opposing team more than they scare us fans.

Can Daniels win a title here? I don't know. Can he improve? Yes. He's got the arm, he's got great running. Early in the year he was hitting guys who dropped it. Maybe he got a little gun-shy then, knowing he could probably pick up 8-10 yds on a scramble instead of facing 2nd and 10 after a drop. The drops seemed to go away for some players, Taylor since midseason and Boutte at the end.
You get Boutte, Nabers, and Taylor together and playing right, and everyone comfortable and in sync, next season could be a lot different.
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
11924 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:52 am to
Jayden Daniels threw 3 interceptions in 371 attempts
Garrett Nussmeier threw 3 interceptions in 69 attempts

If Garrett wants to be the starter, he’s going to have to do a better job of protecting the football. You could argue that Jayden may have protected it too much.
Posted by Perception
Member since Sep 2017
853 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:55 am to
The last poster is stupid…the reason daniels dont throw INTs is cuz he dont throw deep…he is not a down field threat
Posted by ellis197575
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
1284 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:42 am to
Meh...JD5 is decent. But if you objectively view our QB's, they played about a half each against the same opponent and looked completely different.

JD5 actually played a really good game in the 1st half. He was making passes that he wasn't even attempting the previous several games. He hit WR in stride and was pretty decisive. However, that's why so many fans are frustrated by him. It would be one thing if he wasn't talented enough to make the throws, it seems like he just chooses not to pull the trigger. That definitely held the offense back this year.

Nuss came in and showed what the offense could look like with a QB pulling the trigger. He is still kind of careless with the ball but that can be corrected with coaching. Nuss was more decisive and went through his progressions much faster. He also showed more arm talent than JD5. Honestly, for many outside of LSU, it was their 1st glimpse of Nuss but they saw enough to know the kids too talented to be on the bench. Yes, JD5 can move the ball with his legs but that's because he can't move it well enough with solely his arm.

JD5 may very well be QB1 next year. Unless he stops being hesitant and starts improving with his progressions, we'll still be a 9/10 win team not in the playoffs. Right now, Nuss could easily start for half the teams in the SEC. He has so much potential and appears to have a higher ceiling than JD5.
Posted by boweswi05
birmingham
Member since Aug 2016
5676 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:42 am to
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I don’t get people creaming over Nussmeier putting up yards in a blowout while still turning the ball over twice.




We were down 4TD. He was forcing throws trying to get us back on the game.
He made some and missed some.
He prolly should have dinked and dunked the ball to not turn it over but we would have took forever to score.
We didn't have forever. Down 4 TD in 4th quarter he had no choice.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
2941 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:53 am to
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Those weren't the SEC Champioship Game.


I’m not sure how that contradicts my point. They roared out to a 35-10 lead then let off the gas when the game was no longer in doubt. The prior comment said champions never let up. Those other games show that they most certainly do, as did the Kentucky game. Georgia had plenty of moments this year when they were less motivated or disinterested. The second half of a blowout fits with that pattern.
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 10:31 am
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
2941 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:57 am to
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The last poster is stupid…the reason daniels dont throw INTs is cuz he dont throw deep…he is not a down field threat


So you think LSU would have been more successful with 15-20 INTs this season? The issue isn’t WHY there is the difference in INTs. It’s the sheer number of them.
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
9529 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:00 am to
I’m not completely sold on Nuss. I want to see him in crucial situations, not when we’re getting spanked like we were against UGA. Remember, he threw that pick 6 against Southern. I’m not sure his decision making is great.
Posted by kennymorgan
Bella Vista, AR
Member since Dec 2005
4621 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:25 am to
Daniels IS the QB and will be until he goes into the draft (unless he is injured or something unforseen happens). Howard will get increased snaps next year and take over the reins in 2024.
Posted by tigerjunior
Member since Aug 2009
2325 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:41 am to
Whomever coach puts there, thats who we should roll with. Done. Our opinions don't matter
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58983 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 10:03 am to
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The last poster is stupid…the reason daniels dont throw INTs is cuz he dont throw deep…he is not a down field threat


Do you speak like this?
Posted by gabzooks
Member since Jul 2013
301 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 10:17 am to
2nd year v. 4th year
0 starts v. 40+ starts

Nuss certainly has a different playing style and risk assessment meter, but the above facts also matter considerably, don’t you think?
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
11924 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 10:24 am to
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Nuss certainly has a different playing style and risk assessment meter, but the above facts also matter considerably, don’t you think?


Of course they do. All I’m saying is he’s extremely reckless with the ball. Sure, coaching can help, but thinking that because he put up great numbers vs Georgia’s backups doesn’t mean he would’ve done the same vs the rest of our schedule, especially with how frequently he turns the ball over.
Posted by gabzooks
Member since Jul 2013
301 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 10:41 am to
It’s all speculation.
I’d venture to guess he’d progress and be less turnover prone than his early self. But likely more turnover prone than JD
Posted by gabzooks
Member since Jul 2013
301 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 10:43 am to
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great numbers vs Georgia’s backups

Come on, man, don’t undermine your valid concern by twisting the narrative
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59128 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 10:50 am to
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The bigger question is, do you want to play JD next year if he comes back and be 3 years away from a NC or do you go to your future and try to win one in 2 years? JD isn't winning you a NC.


The biggest question though is why you would think if Daniels plays next year it impacts what the team can accomplish in 2024 and beyond

We do not have a NC level roster yet, getting there is about recruiting and the transfer portal not who plays QB in 2023. The idea that you have to have a multi year starter at QB is as outdated as Les Miles offense check last seasons NCG as just one example
Posted by ellis197575
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
1284 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 10:54 am to
UGA had not let up by the time Nuss entered the game. Thats the narrative the media ran with to justify UGA being dominant.

Nuss was throwing against starters until just over 4 minutes left in the 4th. Everyone calling SB classless going for the 2pt conversion, its bcuz Kirby wasn't sure if his D would prevent Nuss from possibly tying the game at some point. He was worried from what he saw of Nuss.

Yes, Nuss had some bad throws but he also had some very good ones. Ppl keep speaking on how much JD5 can improve from this year to next, imagine the improvement Nuss could make by receiving QB1 snaps in practice AND getting real game-time reps. Nuss appeara to have a higher ceiling than Daniels. They both have essentially received the same coaching and Nuss looked light years better at passing than Daniels. He went thru his progressions faster, made decisions faster, and had much better arm talent.

JD5 had started 3 years prior to LSU and was considered to be a 7th round draft pick, at best.

The ONLY attribute he has over Nuss is experience. I think we'd be fine if Nuss left. I say that, bcuz I also think Nuss is too talented to sit the bench behind Daniels. I could see if we had Bryce Young as our starter. Man, JD5 is pretty good but no way does what he's shown indicates he's a better passer than Nuss. Nuss should transfer and get a starting spot. LSU would still be fine. Sometimes its just best for both parties.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4031 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 1:23 pm to
Where I agree you need a lot of talent on offense around your QB and on the defensive side also, it absolutely matters if Nussmeier or Howard is the QB next year. They will have a year of experience under their belt and therefore have a way better chance of winning a NC in the second year versus if JD comes back next year and is the starter, the chances are a lot less that a first year starter can win you a championship. So that puts you 3 years out instead of possibly 2. How many first year starting QB’s have won a championship over the past 25-30 years? Not many, you’re naive to think you just plug a QB in and can win a championship the next year. On rare occasions that happens and the team around a first year QB is so good that they don’t need to carry the team. Flynn did it at LSU but he was a fifth year guy.
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