- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Mainieri's bullpen tactics
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:20 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:20 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Yes this isn't MLB, when a college bullpen struggles...go with the hot hand. I realize a 1-2-3 inning may be followed by a bad inning, but as of now the LSU pen rarely strings two or three consecutive guys pitch effectively in a game.
0
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:22 am to rcocke2
quote:
CPM and staff must think they are MLB managers.....He has this thing for using his bullpen like they are MLB pitchers. Setup guys, designated closer, blah, blah, blah...
#FireDunn
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:25 am to Broski
#DonewithDunn
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:25 pm to OneMoreTime
wut? 
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:27 pm to Broski
quote:
#FireDunn
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:37 pm to Tiger Nation 84
You are retarded if you think that about Godfrey haha
Posted on 4/3/15 at 2:14 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
want to start off by saying that by no means do i think i know all about baseball so if im wrong about this please tell me, BUT....
When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
multiple times this year Person has come in in the 8th and had a 1-2-3 inning where he seemed unhittable and then coach decides to bring in the closer anyway.
in my eyes this problem is two fold. 1) i dont think its ever a good idea to pull a pitcher that is doing well because in a game as mental as baseball, you never really know what youre gonna get from the next guy. 2)it kind of wastes our bullpen arms for the rest of the weekend. yes i know that an inning of work doesnt make a player unusable the next day but at least this year, Stallings has struggled on the second night almost every time he has been called on to close two nights in a row.
I agree with you . One advantage however, is the opponent (a normal Friday night opponent) doesn't get many looks at any one pitcher . As you get through the lineup a few times, the batters will sometimes start to "solve" a pitcher. So working a pitcher only through a few batters enables you to come back with these same guys again on Saturday and/or Sunday.
Plus everybody knows how PM loves his "matchup pitching"
Posted on 4/3/15 at 2:24 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I've been saying this for years and I totally agree. You never know what you gonna get from the next guy.
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/3/15 at 6:43 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
i get that each player has a role but thats what im asking about.
what advantage does this give us? it just seems that often times, we take out a Bugg or Person or Cartwright or whoever that is pitching well and bring in the next role player only to see him struggle. also it means that our best bullpen guys really arent available on sunday because we pitched them both saturday and sunday.
It's all about matchups and changing things up so the other teams can't get used to the pitcher we have in. It's easy to second guess when the pitcher that's brought in doesn't do well, but the expectation is that you will come in and do your job. I don't know what advantage it gives us because we don't know the outcome of the alternative and can only speculate about it. We do however have a 26-5 record currently so I'd say that's pretty good. We also have the fewest losses in the nation the last 3 years.
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 4/3/15 at 7:23 pm to rcocke2
Multiple relief pitchers saves arms, changes the pitchers batters could get accustomed to, and disrupts the offensive thinking. Many of you thinks it is disruptive to the Tigers. I disagree, it is more disruptive to the opponents.
The Tigers are nationally ranked #3 and doing very well. I do not understand the negative posts. This is baseball; a team will have some "off" days both offensively & defensively. It is like a MLB cellar-dweller beating the best team in a division.
Enjoy the team and their games and root for them to do well in Omaha. I expect them to be a force there.
The Tigers are nationally ranked #3 and doing very well. I do not understand the negative posts. This is baseball; a team will have some "off" days both offensively & defensively. It is like a MLB cellar-dweller beating the best team in a division.
Enjoy the team and their games and root for them to do well in Omaha. I expect them to be a force there.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:28 am to Bert Macklin FBI
He over coaches, he tries to go by the book, to a fault. Doesn't really understand or likes "small ball" and if is wasn't for Canizaro, we'd be much worse off. If a pitcher strikes out the side in the 8th, he should start the ninth, at the very least, regardless of the pitch count. If he played with "regular" talent he'd be sub 500 every year. Good recruiter but not a real good baseball coach, average at best, JMO.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:36 am to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
You will burn out your relievers like that. Pitchers are creatures of habit, and most relievers are trained to throw at around 3-4 batters (and they usually throw harder because of it).
Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:38 am to RockoRou
quote:
He over coaches, he tries to go by the book, to a fault. Doesn't really understand or likes "small ball" and if is wasn't for Canizaro, we'd be much worse off. If a pitcher strikes out the side in the 8th, he should start the ninth, at the very least, regardless of the pitch count. If he played with "regular" talent he'd be sub 500 every year. Good recruiter but not a real good baseball coach, average at best, JMO.
People are dumb.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:48 am to Broski
They always come out of the woodwork.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 11:02 am to TigerCub
quote:
They always come out of the woodwork.
Yeah, usually after a series loss at home. Not fresh off of 2 SEC wins on the road.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 11:10 am to RockoRou
quote:
He over coaches, he tries to go by the book, to a fault. Doesn't really understand or likes "small ball" and if is wasn't for Canizaro, we'd be much worse off. If a pitcher strikes out the side in the 8th, he should start the ninth, at the very least, regardless of the pitch count. If he played with "regular" talent he'd be sub 500 every year. Good recruiter but not a real good baseball coach, average at best, JMO.
If anyone played with "regular" talent in this league they wouldn't win much. You have to have talent. We have fewer losses the last 3 seasons than anyone else so I guess the pitching choices are working in some way. There will ALWAYS be games when you go back and look and say the coach should have left a guy in or taken him out. Coaches themselves admit this. YOU WILL NOT FIND A COACH WHO HAS ALWAYS MADE THE CORRECT PITCHING SUBSTITUTION. What you are describing is going by the book anyway. The book would say that a guy pitching as well as Poche should be left in for the 9th. It would also say use your closer if you have a strong one. There is only a wrong answer there in hindsight. If you trust your closer then it's not stupid to bring him in for the 9th.
This post was edited on 4/4/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 4/4/15 at 11:37 am to flucobaseball
Wins in the first half of the season are meaningless, beating teams with less talent, like Stony Brook or Houston or UCLA, is what separates good coaches from the average.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 4:37 pm to RockoRou
Yea because Stony Brook had one great season. It's not just wins early in the year but you can tell yourself that if you want.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 7:05 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I'm a firm believer in the idea that you ride the hot arm. If Person is rolling, go with him. Stallings has done nothing to lose the job but if Person dominates the eighth, keep with him. Our bullpen has been by and large inconsistent this season.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 8:51 pm to Jcorye1
quote:
You will burn out your relievers like that. Pitchers are creatures of habit, and most relievers are trained to throw at around 3-4 batters (and they usually throw harder because of it).
So then the starters don't throw as hard because they know they will have to go more innings?
Page 2 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News