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Mainieri's bullpen tactics
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:30 am
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:30 am
i want to start off by saying that by no means do i think i know all about baseball so if im wrong about this please tell me, BUT....
When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
multiple times this year Person has come in in the 8th and had a 1-2-3 inning where he seemed unhittable and then coach decides to bring in the closer anyway.
in my eyes this problem is two fold. 1) i dont think its ever a good idea to pull a pitcher that is doing well because in a game as mental as baseball, you never really know what youre gonna get from the next guy. 2)it kind of wastes our bullpen arms for the rest of the weekend. yes i know that an inning of work doesnt make a player unusable the next day but at least this year, Stallings has struggled on the second night almost every time he has been called on to close two nights in a row.
When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
multiple times this year Person has come in in the 8th and had a 1-2-3 inning where he seemed unhittable and then coach decides to bring in the closer anyway.
in my eyes this problem is two fold. 1) i dont think its ever a good idea to pull a pitcher that is doing well because in a game as mental as baseball, you never really know what youre gonna get from the next guy. 2)it kind of wastes our bullpen arms for the rest of the weekend. yes i know that an inning of work doesnt make a player unusable the next day but at least this year, Stallings has struggled on the second night almost every time he has been called on to close two nights in a row.
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Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:32 am to Bert Macklin FBI
At this point we dont have a true closer. Stallings has struggled.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:34 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Stallings has struggled.
Person has looked really good in most of his appearances. I hope they give him a shot.
the other option i think could work is to move Bain into the sunday role and have Godfrey close. the problem with that is Godfreys control issues.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:37 am to Tiger Nation 84
He has struggled throwing back to back nights. And has looked the same since throwing 4 innings pointless innings. Hope he can turn it around
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:38 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Godfrey only has 1 and a 1/2 pitches. Dude doesnt have much "stuff". I understand he is young and hope he develops a second pitch, but he is not our answer as a sunday starter. I like Bouman more. Wonder when we get Latz?
And being bias because Zac Person is pretty much family to me, but he has had more good innings then bad, but he has struggled lately too.
And being bias because Zac Person is pretty much family to me, but he has had more good innings then bad, but he has struggled lately too.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:41 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I think coaches look at players as filling a certain role. If a middle or setup guy is doing well for 2 innings the coach is not going to bump his closer (or the next role up) just because he has done well for 2 innings.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:43 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Godfrey only has 1 and a 1/2 pitches. Dude doesnt have much "stuff". I understand he is young and hope he develops a second pitch, but he is not our answer as a sunday starter. I like Bouman more.
Is this serious?
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:44 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
Since Dunn has gotten here, we have gone more to these roles. Its not something we really did before him. So I'd say its more his influence. Guess we have to take the good with the bad.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:46 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Godfrey only has 1 and a 1/2 pitches. Dude doesnt have much "stuff". I understand he is young and hope he develops a second pitch, but he is not our answer as a sunday starter
he has been really good outside of kentucky
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:52 am to Oizers
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I think coaches look at players as filling a certain role. If a middle or setup guy is doing well for 2 innings the coach is not going to bump his closer (or the next role up) just because he has done well for 2 innings.
i get that each player has a role but thats what im asking about.
what advantage does this give us? it just seems that often times, we take out a Bugg or Person or Cartwright or whoever that is pitching well and bring in the next role player only to see him struggle. also it means that our best bullpen guys really arent available on sunday because we pitched them both saturday and sunday.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:53 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Think the coaches believe it makes them comfortable knowing their roles. But I don't see much advantage at the college level. As inconsistent as bullpens can be at this level, i'd stick with the hot hand.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:53 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Godfrey only has 1 and a 1/2 pitches.
he may not have Control of all of his pitches but they all have nasty movement and velocity. the othe rthing is, a closer only needs one or two good pitches because he only needs to get through one inning
Posted on 4/3/15 at 9:14 am to Bert Macklin FBI
PM is definitely not a flow of the game type coach, he has his ideas of most scenarios going in and that is his style.
I can see why he does it, but I personally wish he would be quicker or slower on the hook based on the daily performance. College players are just too inconsistent to manage in this manner, IMO.
I can see why he does it, but I personally wish he would be quicker or slower on the hook based on the daily performance. College players are just too inconsistent to manage in this manner, IMO.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:05 am to josh336
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Since Dunn has gotten here, we have gone more to these roles. Its not something we really did before him. So I'd say its more his influence. Guess we have to take the good with the bad.
You and I are in complete agreement here. Notice how every year we go into the season having to find a designated closer.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:08 am to Tiger Nation 84
What a terrible post.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:09 am to OneMoreTime
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What a terrible post.
I'm all but certain that guy is, like, 12 years old.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 10:13 am to TigerCub
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Notice how every year we go into the season having to find a designated closer.
having a designated closer doesnt bother me. what does bother me is using the closer when the "set up" guy is mowing them down.
it just seems that the definite roles has hurt us in three game series this season.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:15 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I am convinced CPM has it mapped out in advance who he wants to pitch in a given inning with little regard to what is going on on the field. Poche was cruising at less than 100 pitches in a 2 hour game, but we have to have our closer in in the 9th. He did this several times this year as well as last year in the regionals. Why not wait for the 1st hint of trouble before pulling the pitcher? I can understand not wanting to burn out pitchers but we ended up using 5 1/2 hours of pitching instead of 2 hrs. At least we won the game.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:16 am to geauxpurple
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I can understand not wanting to burn out pitchers but we ended up using 5 1/2 hours of pitching instead of 2 hrs.
Because it's 100% fact that Poche doesn't allow a run in the ninth, right?
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:19 am to TigerCub
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You and I are in complete agreement here. Notice how every year we go into the season having to find a designated closer.
CPM and staff must think they are MLB managers.....He has this thing for using his bullpen like they are MLB pitchers. Setup guys, designated closer, blah, blah, blah...
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