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re: magic number LSU Baseball
Posted on 5/10/15 at 9:27 pm to HoumaTigerFan
Posted on 5/10/15 at 9:27 pm to HoumaTigerFan
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Why do I keep hearing this? It makes me cringe when I hear that an SEC title doesn't matter. Why would a conference title not matter?
Because people are dumb and have this logic:
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what would you rather have.
1) best conference record at end of season, win SEC tourney, don't win it all
2) don't have best conference record at end of season, don't win SEC tourney, but win it all.
It's the idea that the SEC Championship and NC are mutually exclusive. That winning the SEC gives you a LESS likely chance to win it all. When the opposite is true. Of LSU's 6 NC teams, 5 of them won the SEC regular season. The 6th won the SECT.
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Posted on 5/10/15 at 9:27 pm to catholictigerfan
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regular season title is overrated it means nothing.
LSU's won the CWS only 1 time without winning the SEC.
Posted on 5/10/15 at 9:30 pm to The Boat
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LSU's won the CWS only 1 time without winning the SEC
Was that the 97?
Posted on 5/10/15 at 9:36 pm to bleedpg
Print the fricking shirts
Posted on 5/10/15 at 9:43 pm to bleedpg
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magic number LSU Baseball by bleedpgquote:LSU's won the CWS only 1 time without winning the SEC Was that the 97?
nevermind it was in 2000 that South Carolina won the SEC regular season title and LSU won the SEC tournament and the national championship.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:33 am to catholictigerfan
Do you think winning the sec title some how hurts our chances? There is zero correlation between winning your conference title and underperforming in the postseason. As another poster has pointed out the opposite is true. Also a conference title goes in the record books just like in any other sport. Would you rather us not win the regular season title at this point?
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:38 am to catholictigerfan
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because it doesn't, you don't get a trophy, you don't get an auto bid into the tourney, you just get the best seed in the conference tourney.
wow what an awful opinion.
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let me ask you this simple question
what would you rather have.
1) best conference record at end of season, win SEC tourney, don't win it all
2) don't have best conference record at end of season, don't win SEC tourney, but win it all.
having a top 8 seed is much more important than winning your conference.
awesome hypothetical. you ask which one we would rather have which is completely different from saying one of the option is completely irrelevant.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:40 am to bbap
I'll take what ever option ends with LSU winning the NC.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:47 am to LSUAlum2001
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South Carolina just took 2/3 from A&M, and they are still very close to not being in the SECT.
SC has already clinched a spot in Hoover. Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and Miss State are fighting for the last 2 spots.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:56 am to catholictigerfan
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because it doesn't
An SEC title always matters.
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you just get the best seed in the conference tourney
And an SEC championship.
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what would you rather have.
1) best conference record at end of season, win SEC tourney, don't win it all
2) don't have best conference record at end of season, don't win SEC tourney, but win it all.
False dichotomy. Of course anyone would rather a national title than an SEC title, but that doesn't mean an SEC title is meaningless, and it certainly doesn't mean that winning one makes winning the other any less likely.
If you are comparing two things, you have to make the same assumptions (i.e. winning the NC or not) for both. If you assume winning the NC in one case and not winning it in the other, you aren't comparing the two things in question, you are just comparing winning the NC with not winning it.
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having a top 8 seed is much more important than winning your conference.
I disagree. Obviously, winning the NC is more important than winning the SEC and going to the CWS is probably more important, too, but just having a top 8 seed vs. having an SEC title, assuming you don't go the CWS or win the NC either way? I think most people would rather have the SEC title. In any event, even if the national seed were more important than the conference title, it wouldn't mean the conference title is meaningless.
In my opinion, in order of importance, the major accomplishments a team can have in a baseball season are:
1) National championship
2) CWS appearance
3) SEC championship
4) Super regional appearance
5) SEC tournament championship
At most, maybe you would switch #3 and #4, but that would still keep an SEC championship among the meaningful things a team can accomplish.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 9:09 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:59 am to bbap
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awesome hypothetical. you ask which one we would rather have which is completely different from saying one of the option is completely irrelevant.
Exactly. Terrible reasoning on his part. I'd rather have a billion dollars than a million, so it's completely meaningless whether you give me a million dollars or not. Right?
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:20 am to lsufan251875
I don't want us to lose, but I'm more concerned about winning the national championship rather than the SEC championship. What doing well in the SECt does is build momentum for the post season, but sometimes that doesn't even matter.
LSU won the SECt last year but couldn't get past the regional.
Vandy #6 finish in SEC 1-2 in SECt won national championship
MSU #5 finish in SEC 3-1 in SECt national runner up
USCe #2 finish in SEC 1-2 in SECt national runner up
USCe #1 (by tiebreak) in SEC 0-2 in SECt National champion
USCe #3 in SEC 0-2 in SECt National Champion
so since 2010 SEC has had 3 national champs and 2 national runner ups, and only one of them have won the regular season title, and none of them won the tournament.
I'm not saying we should not care about the SECt but the SECt is more of a prep for the NCAAt rather than something we must win.
LSU practically has a top 8 seed rapped up, let's win so we can have some momentum going into the tournament. For us this year that is all the SECt and this last series means for us.
LSU won the SECt last year but couldn't get past the regional.
Vandy #6 finish in SEC 1-2 in SECt won national championship
MSU #5 finish in SEC 3-1 in SECt national runner up
USCe #2 finish in SEC 1-2 in SECt national runner up
USCe #1 (by tiebreak) in SEC 0-2 in SECt National champion
USCe #3 in SEC 0-2 in SECt National Champion
so since 2010 SEC has had 3 national champs and 2 national runner ups, and only one of them have won the regular season title, and none of them won the tournament.
I'm not saying we should not care about the SECt but the SECt is more of a prep for the NCAAt rather than something we must win.
LSU practically has a top 8 seed rapped up, let's win so we can have some momentum going into the tournament. For us this year that is all the SECt and this last series means for us.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:27 am to lsufan251875
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It's the idea that the SEC Championship and NC are mutually exclusive. That winning the SEC gives you a LESS likely chance to win it all. When the opposite is true. Of LSU's 6 NC teams, 5 of them won the SEC regular season. The 6th won the SECT.
that is not what I am saying, if we win the tourney great I'm happy, but I'm more concerned about winning the national champion than an unimportant tournament, especially for a team who already has a top 8 seed rapped up.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:14 am to catholictigerfan
This thought process is exactly the same one that LSU fans are always ripping bama football fans for having, i.e. national champs or bust. Winning the SEC title is never irrelevant & the players & staff all get SEC championship rings, which is nothing to sneeze at. 30 years from now the sting from losing a NC may go away, but having a SEC championship ring, signifying they were the best team in the best conference in the country that year..that will never get old.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:16 am to catholictigerfan
We still need to beat UNO and win one game next weekend, otherwise the RPI may drop us out of a top 8 seed
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:28 am to catholictigerfan
quote:Who is talking about the tournament? Nobody. We are talking about winning the SEC title, not the stupid tournament
if we win the tourney great I'm happy, but I'm more concerned about winning the national champion than an unimportant tournament
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:29 am to catholictigerfan
quote:Once again, we arent talking about the SEC tourney.
SEC championship. What doing well in the SECt does is build momentum for the post season, but sometimes that doesn't even matter.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:34 am to lsupride87
Is it wrong that I'd like LSU to win the conf, conf tournament, and the NC? I feel out of touch somehow.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:35 am to catholictigerfan
Jesus, that's horrible reasoning.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:36 am to dagrippa
quote:I think that sounds good to me
Is it wrong that I'd like LSU to win the conf, conf tournament, and the NC? I feel out of touch somehow.
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