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re: magic number LSU Baseball
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:46 am to catholictigerfan
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:46 am to catholictigerfan
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Let me put it this way. If LSU Vandy and Texas A&M all get top 8 seeds, what advantage does the team with the best conference record have over the others?
The advantage of WINNING THE GODDAMN CONFERENCE.
It's called an accomplishment. It's huge and definitely something to strive for. Get off your goddamn regional/super regional/omaha scenarios already.
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:47 am to bbap
quote:I would give my left nut to have an SEC champ ring from my days at LSU. Hell, after me and my wife have kids I will gladly give both nuts
The advantage of WINNING THE GODDAMN CONFERENCE.
It's called an accomplishment. It's huge and definitely something to strive for. Get off your goddamn regional/super regional/omaha scenarios already.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:48 am to OneMoreTime
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I'm guessing you mean 2010 with your hypothetical. But the titles aren't mutually exclusive, and by those examples, you are arguing as though they are. I'd rather be 2009 LSU over both of those teams as we won both the regular season and tournament titles.
yeah sorry wrong year. Every year is a different situation, but you are also trying to use our national championship years as examples.
trying to get the best record in the SEC at the end of the year is a great goal and I don't discourage it, but when it comes to national championship aspirations, finishing #1 or #2 in the SEC usually doesn't make a difference. It's nice to be able to say we had the best record in the SEC, but outside of that it usually makes no difference in post season placement maybe other than what # seed you get in the top 8 seeds.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:52 am to bbap
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The advantage of WINNING THE GODDAMN CONFERENCE.
I'm not saying we should't strive for it, I'm just not going to be overly concerned about how we finish this weekend. Now I want us to win the series, but not because I want us to win the conference, rather I want us to continue our good play and momentum.
Look I want us to have that accomplishment as much as the other guy, but our success should be primarily judged on how we do past the SEC tournament. SEC titles are nice, but LSU isn't one of the greatest programs in college baseball history because we won our conference a bunch of times, no we found a way to turn success in the regular season into post season success. If we didn't we would be like FSU, great in the regular season choking in the post season.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 10:57 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:56 am to lsupride87
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I would give my left nut to have an SEC champ ring from my days at LSU. Hell, after me and my wife have kids I will gladly give both nuts
again I'm not saying we don't push for it, I'm just more focused on winning it all. This year would be a huge disappointment if we didn't win the regular season title. What about 2013 that was maybe the best team LSU ever had they just got screwed by crappy TDA.
I have to admit I'm getting to tied up in post season placement. I will be pulling for the SEC regular season title as much as the other guy, but again this season will be judged on our success in Omaha. Most people consider 2013 a failure in baseball, I don't but most people do.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:56 am to catholictigerfan
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I'm just not going to be overly concerned about how we finish this weekend.
No that's not what you said. You said it means nothing and it's overrated.
Then kept bringing up hypos of winning the conference versus the NC. And how finishing 1st usually matters not veruses finishing 2nd. Of course people would choose the national championship over a conference championship and yes finishing second in the conference gets you a national seed almost every year. Those points are so obvious they do not even need to be said.
But you flat out said winning the conference means nothing and it's overrated. An opinion i simply couldnt disagree more with.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:58 am to catholictigerfan
Having a Top 8 national seed locked up is all that matters is a ridiculously stupid statement. You don't want to stop there. Keep winning... the highest top 8 ( #1 ) makes a super-regional and Omaha easier. You would play lower seeded teams.. 
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:00 am to ZoTiger6
That's not necessarily true for supers. They don't seed past the top 8
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 11:00 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:00 am to bbap
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But you flat out said winning the conference means nothing and it's overrated. An opinion i simply couldnt disagree more with.
I admit I was wrong, there is no doubt that it is a huge accomplishment and that means something especially to the players. I just thought some people were putting to much emphasis on winning the regular season title.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:01 am to ZoTiger6
quote:Many fans feels this way. I wouldn't say "all that matters", but I would say it's the most important goal. Of course, if you win the SEC regular season title, that's 2 birds with 1 stone.
Having a Top 8 national seed locked up is all that matters is a ridiculously stupid statement
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:03 am to ZoTiger6
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Having a Top 8 national seed locked up is all that matters is a ridiculously stupid statement. You don't want to stop there. Keep winning... the highest top 8 ( #1 ) makes a super-regional and Omaha easier. You would play lower seeded teams..
I could see a situation where LSU wins the regular season title goes 0-2 in hoover, while Texas A&M wins the SECt and they jump and take the 1 seed from us. While we are a 3 or 4 seed.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:03 am to catholictigerfan
What do you mean "putting too much emphasis" on it? I haven't seen anyone say that LSU not winning the sec would stop us from winning the natty. I don't get what you mean with this
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:05 am to OneMoreTime
I think I was just overreacting which started this whole thing.
I should have backed out of this much earlier. The way I phrased it made my opinion sound much worse than it actually is.
What got me tied up in this whole thing is looking at the placement and bids in the tournament. In the eyes of the committee, while winning your conference regular season championship I'm sure goes into their decision so do hundreds of other things. Than I thought about mid majors, who could win 90% of their regular season games, lose 1 game in the tournament and be left out of the tourney. Sure that is rare but for lesser conferences you rather be 3rd and win it than first and lose.
Winning the regular season title in the SEC almost always means national seed, always means #1 in the tournament, and lots and lots of bragging rights. It means nothing more than that.
In terms of the SECt it varies in importance, if you are the bubble it is bigger than the 56 games you played before that, if you are locked in it doesn't matter.
I should have backed out of this much earlier. The way I phrased it made my opinion sound much worse than it actually is.
What got me tied up in this whole thing is looking at the placement and bids in the tournament. In the eyes of the committee, while winning your conference regular season championship I'm sure goes into their decision so do hundreds of other things. Than I thought about mid majors, who could win 90% of their regular season games, lose 1 game in the tournament and be left out of the tourney. Sure that is rare but for lesser conferences you rather be 3rd and win it than first and lose.
Winning the regular season title in the SEC almost always means national seed, always means #1 in the tournament, and lots and lots of bragging rights. It means nothing more than that.
In terms of the SECt it varies in importance, if you are the bubble it is bigger than the 56 games you played before that, if you are locked in it doesn't matter.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:17 am to ZoTiger6
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Having a Top 8 national seed locked up is all that matters is a ridiculously stupid statement. You don't want to stop there. Keep winning... the highest top 8 ( #1 ) makes a super-regional and Omaha easier. You would play lower seeded teams..
after the top 8 it is based on location primarily. LSU a top 8 seed last year got screwed by playing a team who was just a couple spots behind us in the RPI and should have hosted.
We may play a team in the supers who should have had a top 8 seed, or we could play a team who maybe shouldn't have hosted and should have been a 2 seed somewhere. Top 8 seed is one of the most important steps in getting to Omaha every season, the difference between 1-8 isn't that big of a deal.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 12:06 pm to catholictigerfan
In all of those examples of teams that didn't win the tournament or regular season, I still don't see why you can't compare us to the '09 LSU team. Won the SEC regular season and conference tournament. Then went on to win the national championship. Doing all of this with only two trustworthy starting pitchers (sound familiar).
This team actually has a better batting average, and batting average against. This staff's ERA is much lower as well but that has more to do with the bat change. Our bullpen is fathoms deeper than it was in '09.
So yeah, let's just imitate the '09 team and win the season, tourney, and in Omaha.
This team actually has a better batting average, and batting average against. This staff's ERA is much lower as well but that has more to do with the bat change. Our bullpen is fathoms deeper than it was in '09.
So yeah, let's just imitate the '09 team and win the season, tourney, and in Omaha.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 12:10 pm to catholictigerfan
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All I'm saying is that winning the regular season and/or SECt is overrated
No, you said it is meaningless.
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who would you rather be in 2011, LSU who won the SECt and lost in their regional, or USCe who went 1-2 in the SECt and won the national championship, or last year Vandy who won the national championship after going 1-2 in Hoover, or LSU who won the SECt and lost in their regional.
Again with the apples and oranges. You are not comparing an SEC title to a top 8 seed here. You are comparing winning the NC with not winning it. OF COURSE EVERYONE WOULD CHOOSE WINNING THE NC OVER NOT WINNING THE NC. Nobody is debating that. The debate is whether the SEC title is completely irrelevant and meaningless so that we don't give a shite what happens next weekend because we already have a top 8 seed in the bag. You say it is. Others are saying it isn't.
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Again I want us to win the SECt/regular season title
Why? You have explicitly stated that the regular season title is completely meaningless. Why would you care in the slightest whether we win it?
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but if we don't I say who well and move on to what is much more important.
No one is debating that. You are arguing with a non-existent adversary who apparently thinks winning the national championship is less important than winning the SEC regular season title. The problem is that that person only exists in your head, and is certainly nowhere in this thread.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 12:29 pm to catholictigerfan
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who would you rather be in 2011, LSU who won the SECt and lost in their regional
LSU didn't make the SEC or NCAA tourney in 2011.
They did in 2010. But what do you mean by "their regional"? Because in 2010 LSU did not host a regional.
Anyway, just remember that no LSU team has won the national title without first winning either the outright SEC title or the SEC tournament title.
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