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re: LSU suddenly the trendy dark horse
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:14 pm to BigBrod81
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:14 pm to BigBrod81
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He's all over the place in place in here.
i only diverge slightly to address various strawmen points that are brought up as attempted retorts
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All he is doing is emptying his bowels on Miles/Cam so he can dick ride Malzahn, Saban & Kiffin.
me saying they have done better than LSU as a team and have had better offenses (this being the difference) is shitting on miles/cam?
is the world either full blown irrational bias towards LSU or shitting on LSU in your mind? it's that black and white?
is stating the fact that another team is doing better than LSU now "dick riding" on the rant?
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what does it matter if we have 2 WRs who hit a magical statistical plateau that only even has some sort of significance b/c we use base 10?
and 3rd down efficiency is a very limited measure. it has merit but a very limited applicability
It means a ton when you combine it with total yardage of the entire offense. The 2013 offense was efficient, explosive & effective. It wasn't the offense's fault that the defense shite the bed against Georgia, Alabama & Ole Miss that year.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i only diverge slightly to address various strawmen points that are brought up as attempted retorts
You've crawfished your way into several straw men yourself.
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me saying they have done better than LSU as a team and have had better offenses (this being the difference) is shitting on miles/cam?
How have you done that? You've completely ignored the fact that Alabama had a 5th Senior at QB & the best WR in the nation who was a junior on their roster last year. You completely glance over the experience here. You are also blowing Malzahn but last time I checked that same offense you keep bragging on lead to the same 8-5 record LSU had last season.
While on the other hand, LSU tried to make due with freshman & sophomores at QB & skill the positions. Just the season before when the Tigers had the experience, they were one of the better offenses in the nation under Cam Cameron. How can you not see the theme that ties these two situations together here?
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is the world either full blown irrational bias towards LSU or shitting on LSU in your mind? it's that black and white?
is stating the fact that another team is doing better than LSU now "dick riding" on the rant?
You better get your Saban & Kiffin dick riding in now because Bama's is in the same situation LSU was in last year with inexperience at QB & the skill positions. Anyway, you wouldn't even be mentioning Alabama in this conversation had Arkansas not missed an extra point or Chavis not choked at a end of a game again.
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 12:51 am
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:32 pm to MOT
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It sounds like you don't know what YPA means.
Yep lol. And his thing about completion percentage lol. Completion percentage can be skewed to high hell. You really think Cutler is better than Andrew Luck? You really think Alex Smith is better than Joe Flacco? Because that's what their cmp % says. Is Kyle Orton really better than Eli Manning?
Throwing bubble screens 70% of the time is the reason for Sims completion percentage. It's the same thing with spread offenses.
Mett had a better completion percentage than both of those guys (just slightly better than Sims), and if I find it I know for a fact Mett had one of the best if not the best 3rd down passing efficiency rating.
If the defense gave us more opportunities that year; 73rd in ints, 76th in fumbles recovered, 53rd in opponent 3rd down conversions, then we could have attempted more passes with Mett.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:36 pm to BigBrod81
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You've crawfished your way into several straw men yourself.
like what?
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How have you done that? You've completely ignored the fact that Alabama had a 5th Senior at QB & the best WR in the nation who was a junior on their roster last year.
sounds like LSU and mett in 2013, and sims had better stats than mett in 2013. the point is that with a makeshift QB, they still produce
we need a vet OL, 2 amazing WRs, and possibly the best RB in LSU history to get a passing game of that level. that's not going to come around very often, and we see what happens when every little piece doesn't fall into place on offense (years like 2013 are rare). that's the issue, and it was made by me early on (go look at my early exchanges with ForeLSU)
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Anyway, you won't even be mentioning Alabama in this conversation had Arkansas not missed an extra point or Chavis not choked at a end of a game again.
see my point about strawman arguments
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:41 pm to Datbayoubengal
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I find it I know for a fact Mett had one of the best if not the best 3rd down passing efficiency rating.
I gotcha, man.
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Among ESPN’s top-10 quarterback prospects for the upcoming NFL draft, LSU’s Zach Mettenberger posted the best third-down conversion percentage (53.7) of the bunch.
LINK
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:47 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Throwing bubble screens 70% of the time is the reason for Sims completion percentage. It's the same thing with spread offenses.
You sounds like a heartbroken bitch. I wish we could throw bubble screens 176 times in a season lol
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:49 pm to Howyouluhdat
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I wish we could throw bubble screens for 3500 yds in a season lol
me too. that would be amazing. low risk, 3500 yards. beast mode
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
I reworded my post to show 176 completions on bubble screens. That's 70%
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
I thought you weren't going to do this anymore...
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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like what?
Your entire premise that offensive production falls strictly on coaching & that it has nothing to do with experience is a strawman in itself.
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we need a vet OL, 2 amazing WRs, and possibly the best RB in LSU history to get a passing game of that level.
So Alabama didn't have a veteran offensive line a year ago outside of Cam Robinson? Has their offensive line not been the backbone of their entire run the last few years? Did the numbers Cooper put up last year not place him in GOAT discussion at WR in Alabama history? You can try to put Sims on a pedestal all you want but the 2014 Tide lived & died with Amari Cooper.
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see my point about strawman arguments
That's true. Alabama could have finished 8-5 & you still would dick ride. Ex. 2014 Auburn.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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after the revolving door of horror that has been LSU's QB since saban's QBs left
So, the LSU QB from 2005 to 2007 were Saban's QB's and not Les' QB? The clowns are alive and well.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:02 pm to BigBrod81
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Your entire premise that offensive production falls strictly on coaching & that it has nothing to do with experience is a strawman in itself.
yeah that's why i'm comparing RS Sr Sims to RS Sr Mettenberger
in that commentary you literally just created a strawman
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So Alabama didn't have a veteran offensive line a year ago outside of Cam Robinson? Has their offensive line not been the backbone of their entire run the last few years? Did the numbers Cooper put up last year not place him in GOAT discussion at WR in Alabama history? You can try to put Sims on a pedestal all you want but the 2014 Tide lived & died with Amari Cooper.
2014 was the "down" or "rebuilding" year for the Alabama offense. i think you keep missing this point, after chest tat went to the NFL
the real comparison is chest tat to mett, but sims is brought up because he was their "rebuilding" QB. their offense kept rolling because their offensive coaches adapted the system to their players. sims ended up having a season that would be once in a decade had he been on LSU, basically (which in reality is our 2013 season). it was better than any season had by an LSU QB since jimbo's guys left. adn it was their rebuilding season
our rebuilding season saw a QB throw for less than 50% in the modern era, which is something that almost seems so difficult that we tried to do it
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:04 pm to LSU Groupee
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So, the LSU QB from 2005 to 2007 were Saban's QB's and not Les' QB
well saban recruited them. i'm using "jimbo" now to avoid butthurt LSU fans who hate the fact that Saban is a much better coach than Les and LSU's best coach ever. flynn and JR were developed by jimbo. lee, JJ, hatch, mett, jennings, and harris were not
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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sims ended up having a season that would be once in a decade had he been on LSU, basically (which in reality is our 2013 season). it was better than any season had by an LSU QB since jimbo's guys left. adn it was their rebuilding season
That is assuming he'd be successful in LSU's offense, especially in 2014 when he would have to deal with the following:
Leaky OL
WRs struggling to beat press coverage.
He honestly would not make it in any scheme if he had to deal with those two things.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:14 pm to bmy
Stout defense and unproven QB
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:16 pm to Ignignot
i think unproven QB needs to have "unproven pass rush" next to it
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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2014 was the "down" or "rebuilding" year for the Alabama offense. i think you keep missing this point, after chest tat went to the NFL
How is having a 5th year senior at QB & a junior who was the best receiver in the nation considered a rebuilding year? This will be the rebuilding year for Alabama. quote:
2014 was the "down" or "rebuilding" year for the Alabama offense. i think you keep missing this point, after chest tat went to the NFL
I'm not missing anything here. The Tigers offense would have been more efficient had they had a QB who had been in the system 3-4 years & not two players who were in their 1st & 2nd especially with all the youth that was at the skill positions.
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he was their "rebuilding" QB.
I didn't know you rebuild an offense with a 5th year senior. quote:
their offense kept rolling because their offensive coaches adapted the system to their players
What other players? Half of their passing production went to Amari Cooper. Their playbook was throw it to Cooper short or hand it off to Derrick Henry.
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sims ended up having a season that would be once in a decade had he been on LSU
This year's LSU offense should be pretty good but looking ahead to 2016, that offense will have the chance to be way better than 2013 was. You are blowing hot air now.
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it was better than any season had by an LSU QB since jimbo's guys left. adn it was their rebuilding season
When Alabama struggles offensively this season I'm sure you will find so other excuse to make for those struggles. Gotta keep riding that dick, right?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Saban has made much better coaching hires at OC than Les until Cam Cameron.
FIFY
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:30 pm to BigBrod81
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How is having a 5th year senior at QB & a junior who was the best receiver in the nation considered a rebuilding year? This will be the rebuilding year for Alabama.
Honestly, if you look at the 2014 offseason, it was widely assumed that Coker was going to get the starting job. So many people bought into the Coker hype when it was said that he nearly beat out Winston for FSU's QB spot in 2013. When Sims beat him out, many started getting down on Bama. This in no way supporting SFP's point about their 'rebuilding' year because when you have the #1 recruiting class X number of years in a row, you should be expected to win every year. When you are not winning more under that situation you deserve to be questioned of course.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 9:32 pm
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