re: LSU suddenly the trendy dark horse

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LSU's team record will mirror the QB play. It's probably this simple. If QB has a spectacular yr , we will be in the hunt late. If they're a top 3-4 QB in Sec; we will need some luck.

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Yup. Its pretty simple, but the P & G wearers just won't understand this.........

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but the P & G wearers just won't understand this

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Rational people understand that QB play doesn't have to be "spectacular" for LSU to be in the hunt at the end.

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to go along having the first 3000 yard passer, 2 1000 receivers & 1000 yard back in SEC history

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that's a cute stat but it's meaningless when discussing overall offense. i don't care if we have 1, 2,000 yard receiver or 2, 1,000 yard receivers. regardless it's all the same in terms of team stats

3rd down efficiency is a legit measure with merit, but it's a very limited, situational stat. a truly elite offense doesn't worry as much about 3rd down efficiency because you don't face many of them (and a modern offense doesn't care b/c you should go for it on 4th most times)

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Did you not see Jennings accuracy on short to intermediate throws last year???

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jennings' accuracy everywhere was bad. that's why he was sub-50% passing in the modern era (which is more terrible than most people truly imagine)

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You can't continue pushing a player to do something he is obviously struggling with.

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the point is to figure something out to make it easier on what talent you have or to have a system and do a good job identifying talent for that system and developing it. miles has failed at both in his time at LSU, outside of 2013 (and i only bring up sims because even with 2013 being an outlier and our best offense under miles post-jimbo's QBs, because bama had a down year with a throwaway QB and he did better than mett did)

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Rational people understand that QB play doesn't have to be "spectacular" for LSU to be in the hunt at the end

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And I agree with this... It MUST be better than last year though..........

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if Mett and Marshall had passed the ball 391 times.

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huge if...actually a major point of issue with our offense

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but right now we are discussing the passing game.

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i'm discussing the total offense from the QB position, but i tried to emphasize only passing to help mett

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Auburn has won a natty and been back to the title game (losing at the very end) since we last won a natty. they also finished last year ahead of LSU, too. when has LSU proven they could reload as well as Auburn has lately?

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That is not reloading Auburn went from 14-0 to 8-5. Went from the #7 offense to the 100th. Auburn went from 13-1 to 8-5 and that's with bringing back everything on offense minus the starting RB, and adding Duke.

Reloading is being consistent year to year even while losing players left and right. LSU went four straight years with at least 10 wins. Three straight years with a least 10 regular season wins. That's will losing tons of guys who are playing on NFL rosters right now, every year. This is the first time in a while that LSU brought back

Auburn went 14-0 (13-0 reg season) in 2010. Lost Newton, their top WR (who has done nothing, I don't even think he was drafted), and Fairley, from what I remember, and went 8-5 (7-5 reg season).

LSU went 13-1 in 2011. Lost a 1st, 3rd, another 3rd (Mathieu kicked off team) and 4th rounder in the secondary, a first rounder on the DL, a 2nd round #1 WR, both senior QBs, and still went 10-3 (10-2 reg season).

In 2012 we went the aforementioned 10-3. We lost our entire starting DL and a backup DE (1st, 3rd,, 3rd, 6th round). We lost a 1st and 5th rounder in the secondary, and 2nd rounder at MLB. We went 10-3 (9-3 reg season). Oh yeah, and for those two years we had a trinity of a former OL man HC, the OL coach at the time, and an OC that had Parkisans, being our only playcaller and QB coaches.

Should I go Auburn's 2012 when they went 3-9 from 7-5 the previous year only losing a tackle, the OC, and the starting RB? Or...should I go to 2014 with losing a 1st round OT (still 4/5 of OL returned), 1st round DE, 3rd round starting RB , but bringing back everything else on offense (that's including over 2400 passing yards and 20 TDs and over 2700 rush yards and 25 TDs), and adding the #1 player in JUCO 5 star WR, dropped them to 8-5 (8-4 reg season)?

Auburn is so got damn wishy washy you can't judge them from one year to the next. They lose 5, 3, and 2 guys in 3 previous drafts, then go 14-0. They lose 4 guys and go 8-5 the next year. They lose 1 guy, and go 3-9 the very next year. They lose 1 guy the very next year, and go 13-1. They lose 4 guys the very next year, and go 8-5.

We should have known the insane amount of talent flying in out for 4 straight years would finally make for a let down year. It happened before when we lost 5, 8, and 7 guys to the draft in 3 straight years from 2005-2007 respectively. We went 8-5 (also because we lost Perriloux). This time we lost 6, 5, 9, and 9 guys respectively from 2010-2013, and that was just the drafted guys. That's not including Loston or Baker, or Freak, etc. We went 8-5.

LSU is more consistent by A LOT. You, the man of a gazillion posts, should be smarter than this.

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This stat is USELESS............

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WRONG.

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WRONG.

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Based on what??? What does the stat really mean???? NOW if you want to talk YPC then we have something... Remember.. THREE things happen when you pass the ball and two are bad.......... So if Harris tries 25 passes and those attemps avg 15 yds apiece but only completes 6 for 25 yds YPA means nothing............. Completion % is WAY WAY more important than ANY stat a qb can have........

What the hell is SFP even attempting to argue? That Marshall in '13 and Sims in '14 were better quarterbacks than Mettenberger?

2013 LSU
849 plays 5893 yards 6.94 yards per play 61 Touchdowns
326 passes 3263 yards 10.0 yards per attempt 23 Touchdowns
523 rushes 2630 yards 5.03 yards per attempt 38 Touchdowns

2013 Auburn
1014 plays 7018 yards 6.92 yards per play 73 Touchdowns
283 passes 2422 yards 8.5 yards per attempt 20 Touchdowns
729 rushes 4596 yards 6.30 yards per rush 53 Touchdowns

2014 Alabama
1018 plays 6783 yards 6.66 yards per play 68 Touchdowns
451 passes 3890 yards 8.6 yards per attempt 32 Touchdowns
567 rushes 2893 yards 5.10 yards per rush 36 Touchdowns

Looking at the offenses, they are remarkably similar, with each team averaging north of 6.5 yards per play and scoring TDs on approximately 7% of offensive snaps.

The only difference is that LSU had a better passing attack than either team, Auburn had a better rushing attack than either team, and Alabama finished in the middle in both areas.

Auburn took a dual threat QB... turned CB... turned QB and put up some great numbers in a system designated for that type of player.
Alabama took a dual threat QB... turned RB.... turned QB and put up some great numbers in a system designated for that type of player.
LSU took a pro style QB... turned QB.... turned QB and put some some great numbers in a system designated for that type of player.

Nick Marshall went undrafted in the NFL... made the switch back to CB, and has yet to make any impact in preseason play. Blake Sims went to the CFL, and who cares because it's the CFL.

Meanwhile, Mettenberger started several games last season and is making the Titans' front office look completely foolish for drafting Mariota with No.2 overall.