re: LSU Bball Compared to Teams with Less Draft Picks (Jones Era)

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Not sure why our players leave early to be 2nd round picks or not get drafted.

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maybe b/c they feel they aren't going to improve where they are.
Kris Dunn and Buddy Hield came back b/c they thought they were better than where they were being projected to get drafted, and now they will be top 10 picks.
Jarell Martin came back and regressed as a 3 point shooter, which was his main knack, and did not rebound as well as scouts wanted to see. He could have came back and improved on that and been a top 10 pick possibly, like Dunn and Hield, but he was probably better off going pro than thinking his draft stock would improve playing another year at LSU. Look what this scout said about his time at LSU

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To Martin's credit, the environment he was in the past two years was not the most disciplined, so there is some hope that he can make strides quickly in more organized settings.

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That scout basically said he's better off going pro and trying to improve his game, than staying at LSU and trying to improve.

Mickey wasn't going to improve his stock likely, and neither was Johnny O'Bryant. Maybe if they thought that they could contend for a Final Four at LSU, they would have came back another year.

Why come back and play for a team that might not make the tourney, when you could start your professional career?


If Blakeney leaves, that tells me all i need to know about Johnny and this program. he could easily go the path of Buddy and Kris, and keep improving his game and get to the point where he's a top 10 pick. He has the talent and work ethic to get to that point.

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Jarell Martin came back and regressed as a 3 point shooter, which was his main knack, and did not rebound as well as scouts wanted to see. He could have came back and improved on that and been a top 10 pick possibly, like Dunn and Hield, but he was probably better off going pro than thinking his draft stock would improve playing another year at LSU.

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This is simply false.

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This is simply false.

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why do you insist on being dumb?
I'm not making this up. LINK

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One area that Martin did not improve in as much as hoped is as a jump shooter, after showing some promise as a freshman (hitting 33% of his 3-pointers, which made up a third of his overall field goal attempts). He made just 27.5% of his overall 3-point attempts this season, including 29.5% of his catch-and-shoot opportunities, and seemed a lot less confident in this part of his game. He also showed some potential shooting off the dribble, though he made only 33.3% of his overall attempts.

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His inconsistent shooting mechanics are likely to blame, as he shoots with a variable release point and occasional hitch while falling away from the basket and lacking much elevation or arc. The fact that he once again shot below 70% from the foul line suggests that he has quite a bit of work to do before he develops into a respectable jump shooter at this level or the next. This will be an important area for him moving forward.

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Though his physical tools suggest that he has room to improve, Martin is not a very good defender at this point in his career. His awareness leaves a lot to be desired, as he relies far too heavily on his physical tools and is not very instinctive about being in the right place at the right time, often committing silly fouls and being very inconsistent off the ball. He allows his man to establish deep post position and all too often does not even contest shots in the paint.

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He also is not the greatest rebounder, posting 6.4 defensive rebounds per 40 minutes pace adjusted, and allows far too many offensive rebounds on his watch. When he is dialed in, however, he looks fairly competent, but moving forward scouts will want to see far more effort, intensity and toughness, before he can be relied on to play a role for a competitive team at the next level. To Martin's credit, the environment he was in the past two years was not the most disciplined, so there is some hope that he can make strides quickly in more organized settings.

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While few doubt his talent, Martin still has plenty of work ahead of him in the pre-draft process to convince teams that he is not a tweener forward. On the one hand, his physical profile and versatile skill set are intriguing from an NBA perspective, and he clearly has upside to continue to improve. On the other, he is a very poor passer, his defense was frequently lackluster, and his perimeter game is still very much a work in progress.

For these reasons, he must demonstrate improved shooting mechanics, defensive intensity, and basketball IQ in pre-draft settings. Combined with better-than-expected measurements, this could help solidify his standing as a legitimate first round prospect, and could even help him move further up in the draft thanks to his outstanding talent-level.

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If he comes back and improves his game where they've pointed out he needed improvement, he's likely picked in the 10-15 range at worst.

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This has been the case for a while now, yet we aren't seeing the results.

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You do realize we finished 3rd in the SEC, so I don't know how you can say this part in direct reference from being behind the two teams that are more talented than LSU.

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He made great improvements from his freshman year.

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But not in his three point shooting (the main point being made) or jump shooting in general or from the FT line.

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You do realize we finished 3rd in the SEC, so I don't know how you can say this part in direct reference from being behind the two teams that are more talented than LSU.

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Oh really. So you want to hang a banner for finishing 3rd? Do you want to hang a banner and put the year 2016 on it and have the heading of "NIT, but declined". We could put it right next to the NCAA tournament appearances banner.

Was your expectations of this team before the year started to not make the tournament?

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No, but yall are too stupid to realize that instate players read this board and are doing nothing but hurting the program.

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Nah, if that was the case, we would never have a top 25 class in football.

You're really good at being wrong. I'll give you that.

LSU Bball Compared to Teams with Less Draft Picks


Whoever votes this down this thread , is a BLIND follower of LSU or thinks everybody should get a trophy and no one should lose.

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Tell me what you see coming back, along with the depth that most of us must be missing.

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I'd like to know what bounce back means?
How many SEC games won is considered a bounce back?
I personally won't be happy unless we make the tournament.

Going into this year, the expectations were not to just make the tourney, but win at least 1 game in it.
Going into next year, the expectation is going to be to win 6 or 7 SEC games and finish around .500. That's just not acceptable to me in your 5th year with the recruiting classes we've had. And don't tell me sometimes guys just don't pan out. A good coach can make a guy pan out in college.