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re: LSU Bball Compared to Teams with Less Draft Picks (Jones Era)
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:29 pm to dj30
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:29 pm to dj30
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So what does that say about Jay Wright, that he can not develop 1 of his many 4 star recruits into an NBA player?,
Jay Wright just WON with his talent. I'm sick of tired of NFLSU. How bout we win a title or two here, at LSU, which is what the college coach is paid to do.
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:30 pm to dj30
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Outside,of the fans on this board and local reporters , there hasnt been any mention of him being fired.
Do you even think before you speak? This is from the 1st page of google. And i didnt include articles from the advocate
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This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:30 pm to dj30
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There are tons of successful coaches who have had similar starts to their careers at big programs like Bennett at Virginia.
Bennett took over a team that finished 10th and 11th the 2 years before him.
In year 3 he got them to the tourney. year 4 they didn't make the tourney somehow, despite finishing 4th in the ACC and winning more games than they did the previous year. They were the first team out in bracketology that year, and instead they accepted their NIT bid and won 2 games. Then went on to win 30+ games the next 3 years and two conference championships.
Pretty sure no one thinks we are winning 30 games next year. It would be an over achievement to win 15.
Tony Bennett also took Wash St to the tourney the first two years he was there, after 13 years of them missing the tourney.
Don't compare Tony Bennett to Johnny Jones.
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If Johnny isnt successful next year and isnt doing anything on the recruiting trail then I am fine with letting him go.
What would you call successfull? With what he has coming back, a successful season would be winning 5 or 6 SEC games, and finishing with a .500 record.
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This was not the year to do it and luckily we have an AD who realizes that.
The AD should realize that with the talent he had the previous 2 years, we under performed. We were blasted in teh national media this year, and constantly told our coach isn't good. To think we will be competitive next year is extremely wishful thinking and a waste of a year. No one will go to the games, and we'll lose out on opportunities to recruit local talent even more so than we already do. By keeping him, the AD basically is telling us not to expect anything from our basketball team next year, but he'll still expect us to support the team by spending our saturdays in the PMAC watching a uncompetitive team.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:33 pm to dj30
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You've not refuted anything I said.
I'm not sure that you know how this works. But, ok.
You have implied and straight up said he gets a bad rap to some degree because he's black.
You've lost any credibility when arguing for him using this pathetic excuse. So, everyone in the national media, former coaches and players, and columnists are all racist because they were hammering on him and his ineptitude?
The answer is no. You are wrong, no matter what you say. If he was competent and made the tournament and won a couple of games, then there would be a shite load of less vitrol directed at him, no matter if he were white, black, asian, etc.
As far as insults, keep up them comma splices, homie.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:34 pm to Choupique19
The point of that post was about recruiting. What youre saying is correct.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
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What would you call successfull? With what he has coming back, a successful season would be winning 5 or 6 SEC games, and finishing with a .500 record.
LSU has talent coming back, people like Sampson and Victor were high 4 star recruits. They need to take their games up another level. Outside of Kentucky and A&M, we have more or similar talent to most SEC teams. This is if Blakeney comes back also.
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Bennett took over a team that finished 10th and 11th the 2 years before him.
In year 3 he got them to the tourney. year 4 they didn't make the tourney somehow, despite finishing 4th in the ACC and winning more games than they did the previous year. They were the first team out in bracketology that year, and instead they accepted their NIT bid and won 2 games. Then went on to win 30+ games the next 3 years and two conference championships.
Pretty sure no one thinks we are winning 30 games next year. It would be an over achievement to win 15.
Tony Bennett also took Wash St to the tourney the first two years he was there, after 13 years of them missing the tourney.
Don't compare Tony Bennett to Johnny Jones.
Everything you just posted, Johnny Jones did. Johnny took North Texas to the NCAA tourney, what have they done since he has been gone?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:40 pm to dj30
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Bennett took over a team that finished 10th and 11th the 2 years before him.
In year 3 he got them to the tourney. year 4 they didn't make the tourney somehow, despite finishing 4th in the ACC and winning more games than they did the previous year. They were the first team out in bracketology that year, and instead they accepted their NIT bid and won 2 games. Then went on to win 30+ games the next 3 years and two conference championships.
Pretty sure no one thinks we are winning 30 games next year. It would be an over achievement to win 15.
Tony Bennett also took Wash St to the tourney the first two years he was there, after 13 years of them missing the tourney.
Don't compare Tony Bennett to Johnny Jones.
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Everything you just posted, Johnny Jones did.
No. No he didn't.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:42 pm to zsav77
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he gets a bad rap to some degree because he's black.
Ive not once said that. You are either making shite up or cant,read. I said he gets added criticism. Johnny deserves criticism based on this season. His previous years were successful.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:43 pm to lsu2006
Did Johnny not take us to the tourney his 3rd year? Did Johnny not have North Texas in the tourney?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:44 pm to dj30
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Did Johnny not take us to the tourney his 3rd year? Did Johnny not have North Texas in the tourney?
Yes. Did he win 2 conference titles and 30+ games in 3 consecutive years? No.
Has he ever won a single tournament game? No.
The fact that you'd even consider the notion of putting Jones in the same breath as Bennett is more than enough proof that you're a dolt.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:46 pm to lsu2006
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Yes. Did he win 2 conference titles and 30+ games in 3 consecutive years? No.
These were after his 1st 4 years. Again, you are changing the scenarios to fit your argumemt.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:48 pm to dj30
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These were after his 1st 4 years.
OK? Wake me up when we go 30-7, win the ACC and make it to the sweet 16 next year.
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Again, you are changing the scenarios to fit your argumemt.
I don't need to change anything to show that Bennett is on a completely different level of coaching ability from Jones.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:52 pm to dj30
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Bennett took over a team that finished 10th and 11th the 2 years before him.
In year 3 he got them to the tourney. year 4 they didn't make the tourney somehow, despite finishing 4th in the ACC and winning more games than they did the previous year. They were the first team out in bracketology that year, and instead they accepted their NIT bid and won 2 games. Then went on to win 30+ games the next 3 years and two conference championships.
Pretty sure no one thinks we are winning 30 games next year. It would be an over achievement to win 15.
Tony Bennett also took Wash St to the tourney the first two years he was there, after 13 years of them missing the tourney.
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Everything you just posted, Johnny Jones did
Oh really?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:52 pm to BearTiger
You need more than draft picks. Role players who are willing to sacrafice for the team are needed as well as quality players on the bench for depth. And believe it or not, some high draft picks go bust and some non-drafted players develop and become all stars.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:52 pm to dj30
Oh and for the record, Bennett actually won 3 tournament games in three seasons at WSU. 3 more than Jones has won at NTU and LSU combined.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:54 pm to dj30
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LSU has talent coming back, people like Sampson and Victor were high 4 star recruits. T
So they have talent coming back, but didn't this past year?
Just as a reminder, Johnny has 2 top 10 recruiting classes, and 3 top 50's. We aren't making the tourney next year, so we've got 1 tourney appearance, where we blew a 18 point lead in our lone game with the talent he's brought in.
Virginia on the other hands best finish was 14th, in 2012. The last 3 years were 41, 56 and 57. We've had a better recruiting class than them every year, yet we are nothing alike when it comes to performance.
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Outside of Kentucky and A&M, we have more or similar talent to most SEC teams.
This has been the case for a while now, yet we aren't seeing the results.
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Everything you just posted, Johnny Jones did.
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Then went on to win 30+ games the next 3 years and two conference championships.
I'll be more than happy to eat crow if we win 30 games a season the next three years and have conference championships to show for it.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I'll be more than happy to eat crow if we win 30 games a season the next three years and have conference championships to show for it.
+1
Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
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We've had a better recruiting class than them every year, yet we are nothing alike when it comes to performance.
Way too many players leaving early. LSU culture is to leave early and get money. Not sure why our players leave early to be 2nd round picks or not get drafted. Would be nice to have a senior laden team.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:16 pm to dj30
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The point of that post was about recruiting. What youre saying is correct.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:16 pm to dj30
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Not sure why our players leave early to be 2nd round picks or not get drafted
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