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re: LSU Bball Compared to Teams with Less Draft Picks (Jones Era)
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:08 am to BearTiger
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:08 am to BearTiger
Interesting, but the jrs/srs on those teams were much better than anything LSU has. The program players LSU has on the roster are not good enough right now. Those players have to contribute but guys like Bridgewater and Malone bring nothing to the table.
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:08 am to c on z
Im not talking about winnning. Yes you can win with either. Most of these top recruits only care about which coach is going to get them to the next level. Which means, Jones should still have ammo when he steps into recruits homes. The issue is, the perception of his job security and that is brought on by the fans of this board.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:09 am to dj30
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So what does that say about Jay Wright, that he can not develop 1 of his many 4 star recruits into an NBA player?
It says that he is able to succeed in the most important aspect of college basketball, winning a NC.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:10 am to c on z
Im not talking about winnning. Yes you can win with either. Most of these top recruits only care about which coach is going to get them to the next level. Which means, Jones should still have ammo when he steps into recruits homes. The issue is, the perception of his job security and that is brought on by the fans of this board.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:11 am to dj30
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No, but yall are too stupid to realize that instate players read this board and are doing nothing but hurting the program.
Give me a break. Jones' ineptitude is what is killing the program. Isn't he a "great recruiter"? If he can't overcome a few people calling him what he is (a terrible coach) on a message board, maybe he's a terrible recruiter too.
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Even if Jones is fired eventually, you should want the best players possible for the new coach to take over.
Uh... Yeah?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:12 am to dj30
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The issue is, the perception of his job security and that is brought on by the fans of this board.
So its our fault that he has underachieved, lost his teams respect, had his best asst coach and recruiter leave, has an embarrassing lack of knowledge regarding the game, and should have never been hired? Got it
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:12 am to lsu2006
For the record, I've defended Jones as long as I can. He's indefensible at this point. A change is needed, and now.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:17 am to dj30
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So what does that say about Jay Wright, that he can not develop 1 of his many 4 star recruits into an NBA player?,
There are only 60 draft picks for the NBA which a handful will be taken up by international players already. So if you want to start out that leaves only 50-55 or so picks a year for D1 college guys and there's 351 teams with roughly 11-12 guys on scholarship in any given year. That's around 4000 guys in any year that COULD go pro if they wanted yet only 50-55 will be chosen. That's just around 1%. So it's truly the elite of the elite who project well to the NBA that will get drafted.
You can have an amazing 6'1 shooting guard at the college level that just likely wont be drafted by an NBA team. Likewise could have a very good 6'7 PF that again, likely wont be drafted by an NBA team; both because of size. The NBA draft is also more about athleticism and projectability than what they did in college. For instance, Skal Labissiere is still a projected 1st round pick by mock drafts despite having an AWFUL season. Why? Because of his athleticism and size he has good NBA projectability.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:18 am to geauxtigers33
quote:That actually makes sense. On the other hand, CJJ still a bad coach.
Winning in the tourney is not about having the best 1 or 2 players on the court it is about who has the best 3-10 players. LSU under Johnny has not had the quality depth to compete with teams which is why the second half of games they can't hold on to leads or hang with the other teams.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:23 am to lsu2006
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Uh... Yeah?
Obviously yall dont. They had people on the board celebrating a guy decommitting yesterday because they want the program to go 0-15 in conference for Jones to get fired. Yall are a bunch of bandwagon fricks, go support Kentucky or somebody.....
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If he can't overcome a few people calling him what he is (a terrible coach) on a message board, maybe he's a terrible recruiter too.
So what is Les Miles, I dont see people starting threads about him every day. I wonder why....
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:25 am to TNTigerman
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That actually makes sense. On the other hand, CJJ still a bad coach.
He is a bad coach in the fact that he doesn't know how to build a team through recruiting. He knows how to go get top talent but doesn't know how to go get the role players. His in game coaching with half time adjustments, timeouts, and rotations leaves something to be desired but if you watch the beginning of games this year they more times than not had a good game plan to start. Johnny didn't know how to adjust to the other teams adjustments tho.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:26 am to dj30
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They had people on the board celebrating a guy decommitting yesterday because they want the program to go 0-15 in conference for Jones to get fired. Yall are a bunch of bandwagon fricks, go support Kentucky or somebody.....
Again, you are making shite up.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:27 am to dj30
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They had people on the board celebrating a guy decommitting yesterday because they want the program to go 0-15 in conference for Jones to get fired.
Right. No actual LSU fan wants us to go 0-15 in conference play (for the record, teams don't play 15 conference games. I guess you'd know that if you'd actually watched this abortion of a season).
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Yall are a bunch of bandwagon fricks, go support Kentucky or somebody.....
How about frick you. I care about LSU basketball, thus I want Jones gone. I wanted him to succeed very, very badly. But he's failed and it's time to move on.
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So what is Les Miles
A great recruiter and program manager that has highly questionable offensive philosophies and has brain farts from time to time.
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I dont see people starting threads about him every day. I wonder why....
Because it isn't football season just yet. Are you brain dead? Is this your first day on the rant?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:30 am to dj30
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If he can't overcome a few people calling him what he is (a terrible coach) on a message board, maybe he's a terrible recruiter too.
So what is Les Miles
A coach who has won multiple SEC titles, a NC, and was in another.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:31 am to BearTiger
How many picks did Ky, Duke, Kansas and the other big boys have.
If NBA talent was the sole determinate of who could coach and who couldn't coach shouldn't Ky win it every year with Duke or Kansas being the runner up?
When JJ had three big men playing together (Martin, Mickey, Johnny O we had no guards. Then Johnny O left and he failed to sign any bigs that could play, but the guard play improved. Then the M and M boys left and he brought in Simmons, and Victor and still we only had two good bigs. The guard play fell off due to Hornsby's injury and TQ and JP bailing out.
We all saw that this team had very poor team chemistry and poor fundamentals. We all saw that JJ didn't bring this team along, but NBA talent alone doesn't win, Villanova showed that last night.
If NBA talent was the sole determinate of who could coach and who couldn't coach shouldn't Ky win it every year with Duke or Kansas being the runner up?
When JJ had three big men playing together (Martin, Mickey, Johnny O we had no guards. Then Johnny O left and he failed to sign any bigs that could play, but the guard play improved. Then the M and M boys left and he brought in Simmons, and Victor and still we only had two good bigs. The guard play fell off due to Hornsby's injury and TQ and JP bailing out.
We all saw that this team had very poor team chemistry and poor fundamentals. We all saw that JJ didn't bring this team along, but NBA talent alone doesn't win, Villanova showed that last night.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:31 am to More beer please
True. Les has at least won shite... Ever.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:34 am to doubleb
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How many picks did Ky, Duke, Kansas and the other big boys have.
In that time frame,
Kentucky has 13
Kansas has 8
Duke has 8
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:45 am to BearTiger
Omitted the team not to be mentioned?
Nerlens Noel (6th, 2013 NBA Draft)
Archie Goodwin (29th, 2013 NBA Draft)
Julius Randle (7th, 2014 NBA Draft)
James Young (17th, 2014 NBA Draft)
Karl-Anthony Towns (1st, 2015 NBA Draft)
Willie Cauley-Stein (6th, 2015 NBA Draft)
Trey Lyles (12th, 2015 NBA Draft)
Devin Booker (13th, 2015 NBA Draft)
Andrew Harrison (44th, 2015 NBA Draft)
Dakari Johnson (48th, 2015 NBA Draft)
(I don't NBA mock but expect there's 2-3 more for '16)
3 NCAATs, 2 16s, 2 4s and a final.
Nerlens Noel (6th, 2013 NBA Draft)
Archie Goodwin (29th, 2013 NBA Draft)
Julius Randle (7th, 2014 NBA Draft)
James Young (17th, 2014 NBA Draft)
Karl-Anthony Towns (1st, 2015 NBA Draft)
Willie Cauley-Stein (6th, 2015 NBA Draft)
Trey Lyles (12th, 2015 NBA Draft)
Devin Booker (13th, 2015 NBA Draft)
Andrew Harrison (44th, 2015 NBA Draft)
Dakari Johnson (48th, 2015 NBA Draft)
(I don't NBA mock but expect there's 2-3 more for '16)
3 NCAATs, 2 16s, 2 4s and a final.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 9:49 am
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:45 am to geauxtigers33
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He knows how to go get top talent but doesn't know how to go get the role players
He signed role players, people like Quarterman, Morgan, Hammink, are role player level recruits. The issue is, we missed big time on Elbert and missed in a few other bigs that we were finalist for.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:47 am to More beer please
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Again, you are making shite up.
Ok dude. All you do is whine and cry and RA people who have a different opinion than you. I wont even entertain you anymore.
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