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Posted on 4/14/22 at 5:34 pm to geauxkoo
Yea, he managed the interns
Posted on 4/14/22 at 5:36 pm to BDtiger5
He was referring to overall results. Which is basically wins and losses overall. But you already knew that. 
Posted on 4/14/22 at 5:41 pm to geauxkoo
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Les Miles was a good manager.
No. Les Miles won in spite of himself. Good recruiter. Bad ex and Os guy. Could only out talent, not really ever out coach. Had it all fall apart when his flaws were revealed. Gee, who does this sound like?
The only real difference here is Les went from elite to just the Nader it for a while before crashing entirely. O went from elite to unmitigated disaster in one summer.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 5:45 pm to OzChuffnugg
quote:Mark Mangino says hi.
Why do you keep comparing LSU to Kansas football? You are making it sound like Kansas was some power house with a ton of talent that routinely brings in top recruiting classes and Miles brought that to a screeching hault. Nobody can recruit players to Kansas and nobody wins football games at Kansas.
BTW, he was one of 6 coaches who won 80 percent or more of his games in a season at Kansas.
quote:That was my point. You can't tell me what a great coach and recruiter he was based on a program that was already rolling when he was hired.
Les Miles was a good recruiter because he brought in top 10 recruiting classes year after year...at LSU...Not Kansas...LSU.
How great of a coach and recruiter was he at Kansas?
quote:Because of the program, not Miles. If Miles was a great coach and recruiter, he would have proven it at Kansas. But he didn't. Because he wasn't a good coach, and greatly overrated as a recruiter at a program that had already been set on automatic before he got there.
The fact that he didn't at Kansas does not take away from the fact that he did at LSU.
Like I said, what he was good at was being in the right place at the right time. He maintained the level of the program at Oklahoma State. He maintained the level of the program at LSU, and he maintained the level of the program at Kansas.
He wasn't exceptional about anything. Not coaching, not recruiting.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 5:49 pm to geauxkoo
A "good manager" wouldnt have Title IX violations out the arse. A "good manager" wouildnt have numerous players arrested and be on first name basis with the parish DA (and not because of booster donations). A "good manager" wouldnt be having numerous players transfer out due to "violating team rules".
^This is contradictory if he was a "good manager"
He could recruit and he made some good hires but this is Louisiana, anyone can win here as long as you recruit well.
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was that he was not a good game coach and he refused to allow his coaches to manage their respective disciplines
^This is contradictory if he was a "good manager"
He could recruit and he made some good hires but this is Louisiana, anyone can win here as long as you recruit well.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 5:52 pm to Jax Teller
I reread this post at my son’s pediatric visit and start laughing out loud. Thanks!
Posted on 4/14/22 at 6:16 pm to geauxkoo
The Nick Saban effect kept the program going for a few years and when that wore off the wheels started coming off. Les was a terrible coach. He should have been replaced in 2006 when Nick wanted to come back
Posted on 4/14/22 at 6:23 pm to TX Tiger
quote:Mark Mangino also says that he won fewer games in his first year at Kansas than Les Miles won in his first year at Kansas.
Mark Mangino says hi.
BTW, he was one of 6 coaches who won 80 percent or more of his games in a season at Kansas.
Mark Mangino also says that he won fewer games at Kansas than Kansas won in the three years before Mark Mangino got there.
quote:Mark Mangino was the last coach to have a better year at Kansas than Miles' first year there.
Because of the program, not Miles. If Miles was a great coach and recruiter, he would have proven it at Kansas. But he didn't. Because he wasn't a good coach, and greatly overrated as a recruiter at a program that had already been set on automatic before he got there.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 6:29 pm to WDAIII
quote:I guess until seven years later when LSU went to the National Championship game?
The Nick Saban effect kept the program going for a few years and when that wore off the wheels started coming off.
His worst season was 8-5.
Saban has two 8 win seasons.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 7:28 am to mdomingue
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Hmm. He seemed to do better than Saban with Saban's recruits
Saban last 3 years
8-5
13-1 (NC)
9-3
30-9 overall
Miles first 3 years
11-2
11-2
12-2 (NC)
34-6 Overall
Maybe Saban was a better recruiter back then but Miles was actually a better coach?
Or maybe those things mean nothing really
Do you really want to compare what Saban inherited and what Miles inherited? GTFOH!!!
The number of NFL players, the culture of the team, the strength and conditioning, and how to prepare for a game mentally and physicaly. Saban had to change everything.
I can promise you this. Miles NEVER does what he did had he followed Gerry D.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 7:51 am to baseballcoach23
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The "coach won with previous coach's players" is such a cop out especially when the new coach had coach them for three years!
If you want to use that argument then Saban won with Dinardo's players.
That was not my point. I have looked it up but I do not recall the exact numbers.
Miles had a shite load of NFL players on the roster and they had been handpicked and coached by the best college coach in CFB history.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 9:25 am to geauxkoo
Bad take unless he was the manager at staples prior to coaching
Posted on 4/15/22 at 9:54 am to cj2002
Anybody with a brain that seen how stubborn Miles was and paid attention to the games can see Miles wasn’t a great coach.Miles was lucky to follow Saban when the program was on the rise and you couldn’t buy kids with NIL so LA kids wanted to go an try an win another title for LSU and there was no juggernaut Alabama back then to compete with on the field and in recruiting.All you need to know about a coach is their resume and other than LSU,Miles has done nothing anywhere else and has never been offered any decent job since leaving LSU.Everyone knows he is a moron
Posted on 4/15/22 at 10:16 am to geauxkoo
Miles wasn’t nearly as bad as O, that’s for sure. Once Aranda left (a miles hire), LSU bore the full weight of Ed’s depravity and foolishness.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 10:59 am to Starchild
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The Cap One Bowl against Penn State? I wouldn’t include that in this list. I was at the game and it was a torrential downpour. Worst game like that I’ve ever been to and it was the worst field conditions I’ve ever seen football at any level played on. Completely nullified our speed advantage. Several times we had guys about to break out for a huge gain and chunks of turf would come up as they tried to cut. It’s a wonder no one was seriously injured.
I, too, was at that game, and I totally agree. It was the only game I have ever attended in person (I lived in Rockledge at that time), and was a huge disappointment. They may as well have played the game in a pasture. In addition, it seemed like the Tigers were always moving in slow motion. It also seemed to me like the officiating leaned in Paterno's favor--the penalty at the very end seemed to cap that off.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 11:12 am to geauxkoo
He won one title. If he was a competent coach and would have changed his offensive philosophy to adjust to how the game evolved we could have won at least 1 more and thats a damn fact.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 12:15 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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.yeah it's not like he had one of the best winning % in sec history, most top 5,most top 10, most top 15, most top 20, most top 25 finishes in lsu history, won more games against ranked team during his tenure,had as many top 5 finishes as saban , deitzel and Mac combined.
Last 5 years at LSU Les went 21-13 in SEC games. Miles was pretty good at beating the teams we were supposed to beat during that time, but only finished 2nd in the SECW to Bama once during those 5 years. Many LSU fans despised his offenses because they lacked imagination, and Les was extremely stubborn and wouldn't change. Am I wrong?
This post was edited on 4/15/22 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/15/22 at 2:19 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
quote:but we'll never know for sure, will we?
Alabama would have killed Jarrett Lee if he had played in the National Championship.
It's the last game of the season, for the National Championship.
No sense holding anything back. Our offense was utterly ineffective, so ANY COMPETENT COACH would've tried something (ANYTHING!) different, just to see if it could light a spark.
Remember when Saban benched Jalen Hurts at halftime of the National Championship game against UGA and inserted a true freshman at QB. It worked, because Tua led them back to win that game.
That's what good coaches do.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 2:45 pm to GoneFishing21
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Would’ve won another championship if he started Jarrett Lee
Jarrett Lee may have been the right decision, but he wasn't winning that game.
The truth is that there wasn't a right decision at QB in that game.
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