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re: Les Miles, and Jordan Jefferson

Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:10 am to
Posted by specs1
Member since Dec 2005
10015 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:10 am to
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I am embarrassed for becoming a negatiger, if even for a brief time,


You'll be back. Les will get routinely outcoached and you'll blow a gasket after one of those whippigs.

Les is a .500 coach in conference with his own talent. (See record last 2 years)

Further, Les is not winning any SECCG's w/ Saban and Meyer in the conference.

I HOPE I'M WRONG! But realistically, I'm probably not.

Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84081 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:14 am to
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Further, Les is not winning any SECCG's w/ Saban and Meyer in the conference


So '07 never happened I guess.
Posted by msbargas
Ponte vedra beach FL
Member since Sep 2009
727 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:16 am to
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And, I wonder why it is taught as a four year course at LSU?


Which one, Ebonics or Classics?

And no, I'm not offended. Just making a statement.

We are living in an age of intellectual relativism, where many traditional disciplines are under-appreciated.
Posted by 225tiger63
Walker, LA
Member since Nov 2008
59 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:23 am to
JJ is JR all over again without the arm.

Both had and have no field savy and the mental process required is lacking in both.
Posted by Davbrucas
Houston
Member since Sep 2009
194 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:27 am to
When you are 51-14 with teams that should have won 6-10 more of those games the coach is gonna get some heat. We should have won at least one more NC with the talent we have had the past 5yrs.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:30 am to
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Further, Les is not winning any SECCG's w/ Saban and Meyer in the conference.


only thing that keeps me from believing this is 27-21, 24-15, 13-3.
Tebow is gone.
Outside of last yrs beatdown at the swamp those last 4 games vs those two teams have been very competetive.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9578 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:46 am to
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Jordan Jefferson: I am mystified by the criticism of him. He completes a high percentage of his passes

ALL HE THROWS ARE HITCHES AND SQUARE INS!!!! Are you kidding me? He never throws slants or over the middle, cause when he does its picked. Thats why we dont call those plays bc of of last year...Jefferson hasnt proven anything its one of the reasons the offense is sputtering so bad, we dont throw well...We dont throw to the middle of the field or deep...

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Jefferson can not read defenses nor can he find alternate receivers. He holds the ball too long because he zeroes in on his primary receiver and waits for him to get open.

no shite...i dont see how people can think that kid is any good...He "looks" good, I mean 6'5 220lbs "looks" good back there, but that kid aint no QB...
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Boy, now that's a pass you wish you had back...

I bet...
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HE"S 19 YEARS OLD!

SO! get over it...he's played for two years...So next year your gonna say he's only 20?
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I don't understand the criticism of JJ either. The kid will only get better.

people were saying this is week 2 you know? I think some people are stupid enough to say this in week 6 of next year as well...
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What games has Les Miles won in the last two years that he WASN'T SUPPOSED TO?
He relies on superior talent to bail him out. We won't be elite with Les.



excellent point, very smart indivudual
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J.J. on the other hand is a very young and an athletic looking Q.B. but he is slow to make reads and proper throws, vast amounts of time when he plays. Yea, we can state his stats bail him out! He stares down one receiver, he doesn't see the whole field and he is a tall kid? He can't make the long throw with a wide open receivers on regular basis of a good Q.B. He shows an emotion when he is sacked that it is. hey it is my lines fault (most of time it isn't). He doesn't have very good peripheral vision or he is too slow in the head to make a quick decision viewing all his receivers (tunnel vision). He may worry about a bit too much about his personal stats (interceptions in particular; seeing what happened to J.L. last season and the way the fan base and coaches handled that situation). I've seen him strong arm throws to players who are in position to make catches that would have created significant gains; and 95% of those passes or off target. I could go on and on! Bottom line, most of these mistakes he made, maybe he could have been coached up by his coaches and he would have improved on those little things that would have given him more confidence and would have made him a better team general. That is what a Q.B. on the O. side of the ball is suppose to be, right?

Outsanding...
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Of course,Miles did better with JJ than Stoops did with Jones or Carroll did with Barkley.
thats just a dumbass statement...
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You'll be back. Les will get routinely outcoached and you'll blow a gasket after one of those whippigs. Les is a .500 coach in conference with his own talent. (See record last 2 years) Further, Les is not winning any SECCG's w/ Saban and Meyer in the conference. I HOPE I'M WRONG! But realistically, I'm probably not.

your prob right we just want to avoid it..
Posted by msbargas
Ponte vedra beach FL
Member since Sep 2009
727 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 10:52 am to
In the SEC JJ ended up #6 in passing efficiency. Not great, but not bad either:

PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Effic.
1. T. Tebow-UF SR 12 162 - 244 - 4 66.4 2166 17 77 160.7
2. Ryan Mallett-AR SO 12 210 - 367 - 7 57.2 3422 29 83 157.8
3. Chris Todd-AU SR 12 178 - 297 - 6 59.9 2377 21 93 146.5
4. Greg McElroy-UA JR 12 180 - 296 - 4 60.8 2211 16 80 138.7
5. Joe Cox-UG SR 12 170 - 303 - 14 56.1 2426 22 65 138.1
6. Jo. Jefferson-LS SO 11 169 - 272 - 6 62.1 1964 16 58 137.8
7. Kodi Burns-AU JR 12 5 - 13 - 0 38.5 75 2 17 137.7
8. Chris Relf-MS SO 10 22 - 41 - 3 53.7 283 5 46 137.2
9. J. Crompton-UT SR 12 209 - 358 - 12 58.4 2565 26 51 135.8
10. Jevan Snead-UM JR 12 178 - 328 - 17 54.3 2464 20 65 127.1
Posted by RelocatedPelican
Member since Dec 2008
1042 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:34 pm to
I think the thing that is giving folks such a hard time is that recently, each season, LSU is on the brink of being really good or mediocre / bad. Every team has close games; closer than they should be, lose games they shouldn't, etc, but look at this season alone for LSU:

Washington, La Tech, Miss St, UGA, Arkansas
Bama, Ole Miss

5 games LSU won that were closer than they should have been.

2 games LSU should have won, one by their own hand and another thanks to refs.

'One play' or >< close to being 4-8.
'One play' or >< close to being 11-1.

Or to be fair, since La Tech and Washington really weren't ever as close as the score indicated:

'One play' or >< close to being 6-6.
'One play' or >< close to being 11-1.


Every team has 'those' kind of games, LSU just seems to have a hell of a lot more of them. Being >< that close to a title contender and at the same time, >< that close to a .500 team is akin to sexual frustration; LSU football has given us blue - no, purple - balls. Hell, I'm ready for next year already - hopefully we all get laid ( ie NCG )!
Posted by Krypto
Denham Springs, LA
Member since Aug 2005
1476 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:57 pm to
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FWIW no coach has coached 12 regular season games each year


Thats true, but several have had the luxury of 12 + SECCG + bowl game, which is a possible 14 games. That kinda even things out a little.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9578 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:00 pm to
his passing effeciency is skewed...He only throws square ins and comebacks, which are high percentage throws...he's 6th best in the league throwing all high percentage throws..Wonder where he would be if all the other QB's in the league were as protected as he...
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32453 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:08 pm to
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But when you look at Miles' record over 5 yrs -- 50-14
That's not the magic number, the magic number is 8-8 in the last 2 years in the SEC, and 0-6 against Ole Piss, Bama, and FLA. with losses to cellar dwellars UK and ARKY in '07 and '08, and an near loss to the Moo Cows in 2009. Those numbers are abysmal.
Posted by Come2Conquer
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
4794 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:32 pm to
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his passing effeciency is skewed...He only throws square ins and comebacks, which are high percentage throws...he's 6th best in the league throwing all high percentage throws..Wonder where he would be if all the other QB's in the league were as protected as he...



bullshite. Oh, and bullshite. Good lord, you're not too football-savvy, are you?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68593 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:35 pm to
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FWIW no coach has coached 12 regular season games each year

This could work either way though...more chances to win and more chances to lose. Point is moot.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9578 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 2:23 pm to
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bullshite. Oh, and bullshite. Good lord, you're not too football-savvy, are you?


are you on drugs...I have the # to the hotline if you need it bro...
Posted by cardee2003
Baton Rouge/Tacoma,WA
Member since Jan 2009
2632 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 2:25 pm to
JJ is our guy bottom line! He will be one of LSU great QBs
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48309 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 2:25 pm to
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JJ is JR all over again without the arm.

Both had and have no field savy and the mental process required is lacking in both.


This is one of the most retarded things I've seen on the rant.
Posted by johnsec
Los Angeles/Lafayette
Member since Sep 2009
845 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 12:25 am to
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Well, if you prefer ebonics go far (sic) it! I am always looking for ways to improve my personal brain power; I don't mean to offend you, if you think differently. And, I wonder why it is taught as a four year course at LSU?

Ebonics and Latin in the same post? Gotta be a first for TD.com. What's next, Esperanto? Semaphore?

Nothing wrong with having a want to improve your "brain power," though you might want to check your non-"Black English," as well (e.g., "far").

"Don't mean to offend?" Then what in the heck are you doing on The Rant? Of course you meant to offend, though it's going to take a lot more than your asked-and-answered, condescending question at the end of your post.

Having said all that, you made some very good points in your previous, epic post...
Posted by carrell
Austin TX
Member since Nov 2009
514 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 12:39 am to
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Jefferson can not read defenses nor can he find alternate receivers. He holds the ball too long because he zeroes in on his primary receiver and waits for him to get open


Unlike Lee, who sees receivers but never sees the defense at all (which is why he had so many pick-sixes).

But what would you rather have? Sacks or INTs?
Posted by Bert Lyons 716
Member since Jan 2006
1528 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:11 am to
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Unlike Lee, who sees receivers but never sees the defense at all (which is why he had so many pick-sixes).

But what would you rather have? Sacks or INTs?

Passes thrown in the middle of the field should not be returned for tds. The offensive players should tackle them rather than stand and watch as so many Tigers,especially Byrd,did las year.
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