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Posted on 11/17/11 at 7:54 am to Jdawgz
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Actually not. Do you not remember West Virginia last year when JJ threw 2 interceptions in his first 12. So Mile's track record is not this as he was not benched.
One of those int's was TT's fault. Perfect pass that he didn't catch. Also in the bama game JL threw 2 terrible passes prior to the pics.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 7:58 am to Topwater Trout
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One of those int's was TT's fault.
Yea Yea, it is always someone else's fault when JJ messes up.
I didn't hear anyone talk about how the reciever who ran the curl route against Georgia in 2008 that never stepped back to the ball allowing the CB to step in front and take the pick six. how is was not LEE's Fault.
But for the one's who pulls for JJ it is never his fault but LEE takes blame 100%.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:01 am to Topwater Trout
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Which QB has allowed defenses to score more points over their careers?
Yeah that's what I thought.
So JJ can't stand on the facts for THIS season so you are going to pull out Lee's pick six year when he should not have even been playing?
Even given the pick six year for their careers, I bet the points from turn-overs/mistakes by each is a lot closer than what you think.
Especially if you take into account the crappy field position JJ put the D in all those times he held the ball because he is not smart enough to throw it away.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:02 am to 7thWardTiger
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This whole Lee led us to the #1 ranking argument is dumb. Lee didn't light it up against any single opponent this season. Our running game and defense has won every game this season for us
And after the Florida game last year when JJ was struggleing and Lee played well, there were people who wanted to see Lee start but everyone supporting JJ was saying "We are winning, Undefeated, You can't pull and QB on and undefeated team", But this year it is who ever is playing better on the field. Make up your mind which way you want to go.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:05 am to Jdawgz
You need to watch the bama game w/o your JL glasses on. He threw 2 terrible passes and then threw 2 picks. If you want to counter with JJ against WVU last year that is fine but you should watch it again if you think JJ is to blame for one of those pics.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:09 am to Minden tiger
quote:Truth is Lee has never and will never get the same opportunities as jefferson. I think he has been treated unfairly. It honestly pisses me off that he has been treated this way. Before you ask, Yes im mad. Remember to go vote for coach of the year(mike Gundy)
JJ starts the arky game and starts poorly would Les be so quick to pull JJ for Lee? and be honest because the obvious answer is a definite NO.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:09 am to Topwater Trout
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bama game . . . He threw 2 terrible passes and then threw 2 picks.
This season. Relevant.
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JJ against WVU last year
Last season. Irrelevant.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:09 am to Topwater Trout
a qb having a bad game vs alabama really isnt a big thing is it? or a surprise? 
JJ didnt have a good game vs bama either.
If you are trying to find a postive I suppose you could say he didnt turn the ball over.
IMO that game shouldnt even be in consideration.
The 8 previous games is a far bigger play and much more relevant on which qb is "playing better".
JJ didnt have a good game vs bama either.
If you are trying to find a postive I suppose you could say he didnt turn the ball over.
IMO that game shouldnt even be in consideration.
The 8 previous games is a far bigger play and much more relevant on which qb is "playing better".
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 8:12 am
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:11 am to VOR
So JJ's 2010 season is irrelevant but Lee's 2008 season will be held against him until he retires from football?
Makes sense...
Makes sense...
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:14 am to Topwater Trout
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You need to watch the bama game w/o your JL glasses on. He threw 2 terrible passes and then threw 2 picks. If you want to counter with JJ against WVU last year that is fine but you should watch it again if you think JJ is to blame for one of those pics
This where you are wrong. I don't have any Glasses. I really believe you play who is hot or what ever situation we are in. I think it will take both QB's for us to Win it all as you have noticed neither QB can play multiple games consistant. We can only hope that neither play bad the same game.
I just read the arguemtents that You and others who like JJ, post to the ones who opinions are that Lee the better QB. And it just humers me that You and others continuously state you when JJ messes up he, it is never his fault, always some one elses. But Lee can do nothing to impress you guys. Same goes for the one's who like Lee
So maybe I can send you my LEE Glasses and you can put them with your JJ Glasses
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:15 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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So JJ can't stand on the facts for THIS season so you are going to pull out Lee's pick six year when he should not have even been playing?
How can he not stand on the facts? The facts are that JJ has a higher passing efficiency than JL.
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Even given the pick six year for their careers, I bet the points from turn-overs/mistakes by each is a lot closer than what you think
Look at their careers the stats are almost identical. Except JJ has 11 rushing td's to JL's zero. I want to say they differ by one in ints. I don't recall JJ giving up any pick 6's.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:15 am to Topwater Trout
Put JJ's pick on TT an I can put 2 of Lee's interceptions on Randle stopping his route against Moo State and the snap hitting him in the ankle in the Bama game. It's easy to deflect.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:16 am to Minden tiger
I'm a "Team Lee" guy b/c our offense is way better with him against the typical defense (my opinion). However in this case vs. Alabama, something needed to happen quick. Both teams played not to lose, so putting JJ in was safe and we played for field position and hoped for mistakes. It worked and I agree with the short leash on that day. I do think there's a good possibility that Lee would've done fine if given more opportunities that day, but that's easy to say in hind sight. At that moment I'm sure both coaches were pressed to make quick decisions.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:17 am to Topwater Trout
Can you not see distinguish the difference between a first yr fresh qb and 3rd yr JR qb?
Please tell me you can.
Please tell me you can.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:21 am to Jdawgz
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I really believe you play who is hot or what ever situation we are in.
I agree.
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when JJ messes up he, it is never his fault, always some one elses. But Lee can do nothing to impress you guys. Same goes for the one's who like Lee
False. I give JL his props and have stated numerous times he should be starting, he is playing too well. If you think JJ gets the beneifit of more excuses on this board you must not be reading the post. JL throws a pass that hits a receiver in the hand it is an autmatic drop. For JJ they are bad passes.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:29 am to JJ27
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I can put 2 of Lee's interceptions on Randle stopping his route against Moo State and the snap hitting him in the ankle in the Bama game.
how in the world is the low snap INT not on Lee? so the snap is low, you stoop down to get it, and just come up firing with no regard to reading the coverage? some of the logic on here is nuts - and that goes to proponents of both QBs.
can't we all just get along?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:31 am to Minden tiger
If Lee would have continued in Bama game, Bama puts up at least 21 points
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:31 am to ATLTiger
You missed the point completely. I was showing the absurdity of blaming everyone else for JJ's miscues.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 8:32 am to Hot Carl
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1) Jefferson does bad, we punt
2) Lee does bad, we give the other team the ball a lot closer to our endzone
Jefferson's "bad" is safer than Lee's. It's that simple. And his speed and ability to pick up 1st downs with his legs is a huge plus. He's just safer.
I think this is the reason JJ has started the past 2 years. It's all about the risk-reward. With a rush O, D and ST as good as we have there is no need to take greater risks. However, I'd like to see Lee get the starts and the majority of the snaps in our remaining games.
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