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re: Latest Bracketology LSU 7 seed!
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:36 am to Pnels08
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:36 am to Pnels08
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At this rate if we win out we will be the overall number 1 seed
Can you imagine if we would have held on against OU?
Either way, I think LSU's quadrant of the bracket will be the most difficult road to the final four because of LSU and Benny.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:37 am to tigerinthebayou
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I would rather be higher than a 7 seed or lower than a 10...would rather not have to play a 1 or 2 seed in the second round.
True....if this team can gain some confidence and momentum, they can be dangerous.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:42 am to chimneylooker
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According to Jerry Palm at CBS LSU is an 11 seed and one of the last four in. My guess is LSU is probably somewhere that and what Lunardi says.
Lunardi is almost perfect with his bracket every year. you shouldn't worry about jerry palm.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:52 am to The Truth 34
I think the only loss left on the schedule is Kentucky. Yes we beat them convincingly already, but we were at home. Don't think the bounces go our way at Rupp.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:52 am to TommyDaTiger
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Jerry Palm, CBS guy, also has Alabama as a 10 seed
Palm appears to be relying heavily on RPI rankings. If that is your only tool for selecting tournament teams, then yes, Bama is probably in, while LSU has work to do. Nonetheless, I think Lunardi is judging LSU on it's performance with Victor/Hornsby and to a large extent is probably discounting the 1st 8 games without them.
Clearly when selection Sunday comes LSU will have to be looked at based upon what they did with their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers in the line up as opposed to what they did without them. Simply put, LSU is a much different team without Victor/Hornsby.
Finally, Gotleib made a great point during Saturday's broadcast. The "eye test" matters to the committee, and Oklahoma's AD is on that committee. He was at the OU/LSU game. Alleva is also on the committee. While he "technically" can't be a part of any LSU discussions, human nature says that if LSU is close, the committee is going to help out one of their own.
LSU has played their way into a good spot. They just have to finish strong and remove all doubt.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:54 am to chimneylooker
LSU has the future 1st pick in the draft. CBS knows that and knows people want to see him.
If LSU is even remotely close, they get in. $$ talks.
If LSU is even remotely close, they get in. $$ talks.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:56 am to Alt26
Agree, and also with Bama being in and a 10 seed that makes that win a quality road win and the game Wednesday night just as pivitol as the one we played Saturday
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:02 am to Alt26
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Palm appears to be relying heavily on RPI rankings
he def is doing that. which is fine to take into account, but there are other factors too. it's almost as if he refuses to accept that this current team isn't the one that was playing in Nov-Dec.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:10 am to chimneylooker
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According to Jerry Palm at CBS LSU is an 11 seed and one of the last four in.
That frickhead called us a bubble NIT team last week
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:17 am to TigerBait1127
No he didn't.... He said we'd be a NIT bubble team if we hadn't bested UK. Not everyone is out to get us...
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:18 am to Alt26
quote:this is it exactly. don't rely on sympathy or simmons' ratings.
They just have to finish strong and remove all doubt.
it's been interesting to watch this play out. going through the top 30 predictors on the bracketmatrix, there are now 16 active brackets that have been updated in the last 3 days. 7 of the 16 still have lsu out of the tourney but 3 of them don't reflect the win sat. the other 9 have lsu between a 9 and 12 seed. also, espn's bpi predicts lsu to finish outside the tourney.
i have no idea what it will take for this resume to be in short of winning the reg season or the conference tourney. they could end up 2nd in the reg season and not get in or be 5th and get in.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:21 am to lsufishnhunt
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No he didn't.... He said we'd be a NIT bubble team if we hadn't bested UK. Not everyone is out to get us...
That's even more idiotic since we blew out UK.... Absolutely brilliant and relevant logic to a team's résumé.
Also, why make the comment at all
But hey, from there to in the tourney. Who knew 1 win could do that much
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 10:24 am
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:21 am to TigerBait1127
Tennessee and Arkansas on the road really worry me. We can lose a road game to KY, especially given that we've beaten them already, but we have got to at least split the two other remaining road games. We beat Arky by 2 at home so I'm expecting a fight there, and Tennessee has a bad record, but go check it again. They are 11-2 at home, with one of those losses a close one to A&M and the other to Vandy. They beat Kentucky and South Carolina at home. I think both of these games will come down to the final minute.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:25 am to Alt26
The truth, as I see it, is that LSU is safely in the field of Thursday 64 barring some epic failures or injuries over the next 2 weeks. They can do themselves a favor by winning at least 4 of the next 6 regular season games and getting a couple of wins in the SEC tournament to improve seeding. But these are practically the same variables (what ifs) that every unranked team is faced with during this time of year. I don't care for the opinions of any CBS "experts" in any sport so I have not tuned in to their latest round of bracket BS talk.
Oh, and F&*#! Bama!!!
Oh, and F&*#! Bama!!!
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:40 am to Kirby4life
I am really hoping all the guys bashing us because RPI actually look at a breakout of our RPI...
Our OOC RPI (which was in large part played without 40% of our starting lineup) was poor in the 220's, but our Conference only RPI is 6th in all of the NCAA.
That is crazy good and basically shows how good we've been in 2016.
I am very sure this is the number that helps Joe backup his 7 seed claim.
We pass the eye test. We are T1st in SEC. The only thing holding us back is an RPI that doesn't appreciate our huge loss of personnel in November and December. Conference RPI has LSU as a top ten team in 2016.
Our OOC RPI (which was in large part played without 40% of our starting lineup) was poor in the 220's, but our Conference only RPI is 6th in all of the NCAA.
That is crazy good and basically shows how good we've been in 2016.
I am very sure this is the number that helps Joe backup his 7 seed claim.
We pass the eye test. We are T1st in SEC. The only thing holding us back is an RPI that doesn't appreciate our huge loss of personnel in November and December. Conference RPI has LSU as a top ten team in 2016.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 12:27 pm to bfniii
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going through the top 30 predictors on the bracketmatrix, there are now 16 active brackets that have been updated in the last 3 days.
Clearly, you must have looked at my expert opinion and bracket as well. Shameless LINK
Since I am now an official bracketology expert, I am confident in saying that there is no way LSU would be left out of the field right now. Since it is my job as a bracketologist to research the bubble teams, which I have done, it is very easy for me to say that LSU is definitely on the inside of the tournament as of right now. If we beat Alabama on Wednesday then we would clearly become a 7 or 8 seed with a .500 record against RPI top 50 teams.
If you doubt my bracketology expert status check out my link on Bracket Matrix. Also if you doubt LSU's resume go look at Saint Mary's or Connecticut's resume or Florida State's record vs. Top 50 teams. Even considering LSU's 4-4 record without Hornsby and Victor we are a tournament team. If you take key players being injured into the equation then it isn't even close.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 12:52 pm to tigerinthebayou
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Being in the tourney regardless is obviously great but ideally I would rather be higher than a 7 seed or lower than a 10...would rather not have to play a 1 or 2 seed in the second round.
There is not a single team LSU can't beat. All of the top teams have holes this year. Every single 1 seed may end up with 5 or more losses. I honestly don't think it matters where we are seeded. If we are an 8 seed and then beat Villanova in the second round that would mean we would have a 4 or 5 seed in the sweet sixteen. Playing an Iowa State to get to the elite eight would be a very favorable matchup for LSU.
This is the one year where it doesn't matter. Just get in the damn thing and play how we have been and we will have a shot to go far.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 1:02 pm to Alt26
It's an interesting case study. On just raw numbers Alabama is much more deserving than LSU to get a tournament spot.
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They've played more good teams than LSU; Have a better record away from home than LSU; Played a MUCH better non-conf. schedule than LSU; and their overall record is almost the same as LSU. Taking off the P&G glasses and being completely objective, if I'm a Bama fan I'm wondering why LSU is "in" and we're not? Even if you were to assume LSU beats some combination of Marquette/Houston/NC State with Victor, none of those 3 would be really good wins regardless.
You could say the head to head record matters as well as the conf. standings, but does it really? Otherwise A&M should have been in over LSU last season (same SEC record as LSU and beat LSU twice)
It may not feel like it, but Wednesday's game is HUGE for both teams. If Bama beats LSU on the road, it starts to become really hard to argue they shouldn't make the tournament and LSU should. That said, an LSU win gives them another top-50 win and may simultaneously knock Bama out of the mix. After LSU, Bama only has one more "good" game on their schedule (at UK) which I just don't see them winning
If the numbers mean as much as Palm thinks, then Bama has a very good argument. I think Lunardi might be going more on the "eye test" which favors LSU. Bama has beaten some good teams. However, they've also been hammered by good teams as well (19 pt loss to Xavier; 32 point loss to Dayton; 16 point loss to UK; 14 point loss to South Carolina). LSU on the other hand has been pretty competitive in most (not all) of their losses.
Good wins, bad losses, etc. aside, LSU is NOT getting left out if they win the SEC regular season. They are very much in position to do so even though they have to finish the season at UK. If UK gets to the final game still with only 3 SEC losses, they will have earned it. Their schedule down the stretch is rough.
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They've played more good teams than LSU; Have a better record away from home than LSU; Played a MUCH better non-conf. schedule than LSU; and their overall record is almost the same as LSU. Taking off the P&G glasses and being completely objective, if I'm a Bama fan I'm wondering why LSU is "in" and we're not? Even if you were to assume LSU beats some combination of Marquette/Houston/NC State with Victor, none of those 3 would be really good wins regardless.
You could say the head to head record matters as well as the conf. standings, but does it really? Otherwise A&M should have been in over LSU last season (same SEC record as LSU and beat LSU twice)
It may not feel like it, but Wednesday's game is HUGE for both teams. If Bama beats LSU on the road, it starts to become really hard to argue they shouldn't make the tournament and LSU should. That said, an LSU win gives them another top-50 win and may simultaneously knock Bama out of the mix. After LSU, Bama only has one more "good" game on their schedule (at UK) which I just don't see them winning
If the numbers mean as much as Palm thinks, then Bama has a very good argument. I think Lunardi might be going more on the "eye test" which favors LSU. Bama has beaten some good teams. However, they've also been hammered by good teams as well (19 pt loss to Xavier; 32 point loss to Dayton; 16 point loss to UK; 14 point loss to South Carolina). LSU on the other hand has been pretty competitive in most (not all) of their losses.
Good wins, bad losses, etc. aside, LSU is NOT getting left out if they win the SEC regular season. They are very much in position to do so even though they have to finish the season at UK. If UK gets to the final game still with only 3 SEC losses, they will have earned it. Their schedule down the stretch is rough.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 1:13 pm to camplsu
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There is not a single team LSU can't beat. All of the top teams have holes this year.
Agreed. The only 3 teams I would rather avoid are UNC, Kansas, and OU. Heck we can damn near close at beating OU with Hield putting up 35+ and us still losing by 2.
Give me a 7 seed and match us up with Maryland in the 2nd round
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