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re: Last year's LSU football team should have finished 10-1 with a playoff berth
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
When have I said I didn't blame O for the Bama and FLA games... he takes total blame from me for those losses.... however I love how you say it was against shite defenses that O faced but yet every time you brag about Miles record at LSU you always bring up how great the SEC teams were that he faced. Sorry bud but you want it both ways.... any person who doesn't think the offense wasn't better or more effective after Miles was canned knows nothing about football..... if Miles was do great, then why didn't this team set records under him?????
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:23 am to dukke v
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then why didn't this team set records under him?????
they did....in futility. Bama could have walked all 11 guys into the box, and we would have continued pounding that square peg in a round hole. We saw it over and over again.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:25 am to dukke v
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When have I said I didn't blame O for the Bama and FLA games... he takes total blame from me for those losses...
But you said Our 2015 offense was putrid ALL YEAR because of how we played against good defenses. Now youre touting 2016 lsu offense when they didn't play well against good defenses.
I'm the only one staying consistent. I've repeatedly said the 2016 offense looked much better once miles left.
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Sorry bud but you want it both ways
Holy shite the irony.
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any person who doesn't think the offense wasn't better or more effective after Miles was canned knows nothing about football.....
See above post about the offense once miles left.
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if Miles was do great, then why didn't this team set records under him?????
4 of the 5 most productive offenses in lsu history are miles coached teams. But let me guess those dont count because you'll never agree with anything that doesnt paint Miles as a shite coach.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:27 am to schwartzy
Agreed. LSU was stacked last year. If we had a somewhat competent coaching staff going into the season we would have made some noise. Coach O did a great job making adjustments to the offense, but there's only so much you can do mid-season.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:27 am to RedTigerRulz
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they did....in futility. Bama could have walked all 11 guys into the box, and we would have continued pounding that square peg in a round hole. We saw it over and over again.
The same game plan your savior Coach O used. Its gonna be amazing watching posters like you blame Miles if O fails and give miles zero credit when O succeeds.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:31 am to Chimlim
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Coach O did a great job making adjustments to the offense, but there's only so much you can do mid-season.
Ha ha. Ok. Did you miss the bama game where he repeatedly ran LF into the teeth of the most talented front 7 in cfb? Where were the changes prior to that game? Where were the plays with Guice and LF in the same backfield?
It's clear our pass blocking wasnt gonna hold for long,where was the plays that moved the pocket?
It's amazing watching posters like you tout the good times on offense and then just write off us having a 1/9 type of effort against bama.
1/9=92 yards 5 1st downs
2016 vs bama= 125 yards 6 1st downs
1/9 is the game miles gets blasted for more than any game and 2016 vs bama just gets explained away.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:33 am to Rickdaddy4188
When have I EVER said Miles was a shite coach... you have a link???? The whole Time he was here he IMO has been a top 10 coach..... yes he made some real bad choices at times but every coach does that.... and yes I have been very critical of him on many occasions... with good reason... he is the HC of my favorite team. And I have the right as a fan to get pissed about his coaching style and being hardheaded all I want.... it's actually quite amazing that he even won as many games with all that talent yet having the most boring and predictable offense in the country... I'll give him credit there... however. It's YOU that bothers me so much by just not admitting your love for this guy and getting all pissy when someone says anything bad about him.... your an easy make on here because of that.....
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:38 am to dukke v
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It's YOU that bothers me so much by just not admitting your love for this guy and getting all pissy when someone says anything bad about him.... your an easy make on here because of that.....
He cant stand it and absolutely wont ignore any slight posted.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:40 am to dukke v
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It's YOU that bothers me so much by just not admitting your love for this guy and getting all pissy when someone says anything bad about him
The person using facts is never mad.
Youre mad bevause facts make your opinions look stupid.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:41 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Ha ha. Ok. Did you miss the bama game where he repeatedly ran LF into the teeth of the most talented front 7 in cfb? Where were the changes prior to that game? Where were the plays with Guice and LF in the same backfield?
It's clear our pass blocking wasnt gonna hold for long,where was the plays that moved the pocket?
So are you saying Coach O didn't do a good job making adjustments? You do understand that a week after Miles was fired, LSU set offensive records? I'm not denying LSU didn't play terrible against Bama and shite the bed against Florida. They absolutely did and that does fall on O.
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It's amazing watching posters like you tout the good times on offense and then just write off us having a 1/9 type of effort against bama.
For the seconds time, you do realize LSU set SEVERAL offensive records immediately after Miles left right?
Yes, we know the 2016 Bama game was terrible. And yes, it does fall on O.
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1/9 is the game miles gets blasted for more than any game and 2016 vs bama just gets explained away.
But that wasn't the National Championship game on the biggest stage in what could have been the best season by any BCS team.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:42 am to RedTigerRulz
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He cant stand it and absolutely wont ignore any slight posted.
Just like you can never ignore a chance to not only shite on miles but the last 11 years. the facts that you cant see that is glorious.it doesn't even have to be a thread about Miles.
Let someone start a positive thread about the lsu players in the nfl and you'll be on the 1st page shitting on miles and his tenure.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:44 am to Chimlim
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But that wasn't the National Championship game on the biggest stage in what could have been the best season by any BCS team.
Thank you....can you not discern the difference in these two games Rick?
And for the record, I truly believe O WILL beat Bama in the next few years...if not next year. Miles was outmatched and IMO, would have never beaten Saban again. CNS was in Miles head.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:45 am to Rickdaddy4188
When have I ever argued your facts?????
Plus there are plenty of your posts that have zero facts in them and it's just you defending Miles... you can defend him all you want... have at it.... and I'll say this one more time... the 2013 loss to a depleted Ole Miss team while we were a top 5 team is just as bad if not worse than the FLA loss last year.... yet you will never say that because the 2013 team was coached by Miles....
Plus there are plenty of your posts that have zero facts in them and it's just you defending Miles... you can defend him all you want... have at it.... and I'll say this one more time... the 2013 loss to a depleted Ole Miss team while we were a top 5 team is just as bad if not worse than the FLA loss last year.... yet you will never say that because the 2013 team was coached by Miles....
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:51 am to RedTigerRulz
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Thank you....can you not discern the difference in these two games Rick?
Yeah I can. The difference is though that in 2011 we still won a title that isn't voted on and in 2016 we had a sugar bowl on the line. The difference is i never shift blame for miles on 1/9. You conveniently shift blame off of ed orgeron yet give him credit for the good offensive performances. That's the difference. I put 1/9 squarely on miles and his refusal to put lee in or try something different. You two however tout O for how the offense looked against those crap defenses and then conveniently shift the blame back to miles for O running the same exact gameplan everyone on the planet knew would fail. Be consistent in your blame. I've repeatedly said the offense looked better without miles.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:55 am to dukke v
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When have I ever argued your facts?????
Holy shite. You just spent 5 pages arguing that our 2015 offense was putrid ALL YEAR after I posted their production. That's just the last time.i could go on for days about the facts you dismiss because they dont fit your opinion.
You dismisses that JJ finished top 5 in the sec in qb rating after I posted a pic of the top 5 sec qb in 2009.
You dismisses that bama gets the next play and the audible from the sifrom the sideline after I posted a quote from Kiffen saying he calls audibles from the sideline.
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the 2013 loss to a depleted Ole Miss team while we were a top 5 team is just as bad if not worse than the FLA loss last year.... yet you will never say that because the 2013 team was coached by Miles....
Holy shite. At no point have i ever in my life denied that 2013 vs ole miss was a bad loss. Not once. The difference is i blame Miles for those losses while you explain away the Florida loss for O. I guess since miles is gone its not on the head coach for our offensive players to look lost on critical plays. You had a problem with me saying O didnt have a hand in the offense and yet dont give him blame for those horrible offensive outputs against the decent defenses.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:59 am to Rickdaddy4188
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You two however tout O for how the offense looked against those crap defenses and then conveniently shift the blame back to miles for O running the same exact gameplan everyone on the planet knew would fail
Really? Because I said the Bama and Florida game falls on O. And you also seem to forget that O was an interim coach at the time. Who took over an offense that was already installed by Miles.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:04 am to Chimlim
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Really? Because I said the Bama and Florida game falls on O
No you didn't.
You said....
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Coach O did a great job making adjustments to the offense, but there's only so much you can do mid-season.
Giving him a pass on the bad.
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And you also seem to forget that O was an interim coach at the time. Who took over an offense that was already installed by Miles.
So wait. You again tout him making great adjustments and then use miles offense for a reason that we didn't play well against good defenses?
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 10:06 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:13 am to Rickdaddy4188
So you're saying he didn't make great adjustments? And read my previous post, I said those losses still fall on O.
Well you keep forgetting that O took over mid-season. Is there really any way to completely revamp the offense in October? The play calling against Bama was pretty terrible, and we played like dogshit against Florida. But can you at all comprehend the fact that O was able to set several offensive records against teams that Miles most likely would have severely struggled against? So some people are willing to give O the benefit of the doubt until he proves what he can do as a full time coach.
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You again tout him making great adjustments and then use miles offense for a reason that we didn't play well against good defenses?
Well you keep forgetting that O took over mid-season. Is there really any way to completely revamp the offense in October? The play calling against Bama was pretty terrible, and we played like dogshit against Florida. But can you at all comprehend the fact that O was able to set several offensive records against teams that Miles most likely would have severely struggled against? So some people are willing to give O the benefit of the doubt until he proves what he can do as a full time coach.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:15 am to RedTigerRulz
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beat Bama in the next few years
Next few years! What a resounding vote of support. We will beat Alabama in a few years.
Why should it take a few years? We have a great OC and a great DC. A senior QB and a great running game. We have had top 3 to 8 recruiting classes the past four years. We have a new coach who is willing to press the pedal to the medal every game and all season.
No reason now that we shouldn't win the west and be top four.
Don't become a pussy now.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:19 am to Rickdaddy4188
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One of miles' biggest flaws was projecting the ability of spread qbs to run his prostyle scheme.
Also, 2008 ruined Miles except when he totally trusted his qbs. He refused to let qbs throw over the middle.
Mett aside, there was a reason for this... At least when Harris was QB.
Colin Jeter nearly got killed going after a ball Harris threw over the middle. There would have been a lot more injuries and possible concussions if Harris had a green light to use the whole field.
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