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re: Johnny is Dale Brown Part Deaux!
Posted on 1/17/15 at 6:42 pm to lsu2006
Posted on 1/17/15 at 6:42 pm to lsu2006
Brown gets dumped on for his X's and O's, but he was better than most. It took guys like Bobby Knight and Denny Crum to outcoach him. In fact, when Brown didn't have loads of talent, he outcoached a lot of teams himself. He made an Elite 8 run with a pretty weak team if speaking of overall talent. Had Bobby Knight not intimidated the refs, and had one of our freshman made a front end of a one and one, we would have been playing in a Final Four in the Superdome. Indiana ended up winning it all that year.
Was Brown an all-time great X and O, no. But he wasn't terrible.
Freak defense, anyone??
Was Brown an all-time great X and O, no. But he wasn't terrible.
Freak defense, anyone??
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Posted on 1/17/15 at 6:42 pm to calitiger
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JJ seems to understand what the problems are (if his postgame interviews are any indication) but yet we see them repeated every game. Something has to be done and quickly.
This, this, this!!!
Posted on 1/17/15 at 7:23 pm to PinevilleTiger
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Dale Brown is a legend because he was a great recruiter and motivator, but he left the coaching up to his great assistants.
Like Johnny Jones?
Posted on 1/17/15 at 7:25 pm to shutterspeed
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Like Johnny Jones?
No, not at all. I'm far from being one of the Dale loyalists here, but at least he would delegate.
I don't think Johnny does. I am beginning to think he needs to.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 7:31 pm to PinevilleTiger
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but he left the coaching up to his great assistants
tex winter.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 8:09 pm to LSU GrandDad
Tex was only at LSU for two years.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 8:23 pm to Big EZ Tiger
DB's teams were not soft like this LSU team, they blocked out, fought,etc..
Dale would've broke both his feet already, and sent this team to the Proctologist if they allowed foes the offensive rebounds and soft rim protection shown to date.
You'd think JJ remembers he & his teammates back down into the Dungeon after disappointing soft efforts? Or early AM winded practices the next day..Huckaby..Abernathy..
Dale would've broke both his feet already, and sent this team to the Proctologist if they allowed foes the offensive rebounds and soft rim protection shown to date.
You'd think JJ remembers he & his teammates back down into the Dungeon after disappointing soft efforts? Or early AM winded practices the next day..Huckaby..Abernathy..
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 9:48 pm to PinevilleTiger
Johnny Jones is the winningest coach through this point of his LSU career. He was the fastest coach to reach 50 wins, and will probably be the fastest coach to win 100 two seasons from now.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 9:53 pm to PinevilleTiger
If U only knew what the state of LSU basketball was when DB took over...and what he built it into.
Furthermore, this "great motivator" but "couldn't coach" shite is ridiculous. To have the wins and the success he had WITH the talent he had shows he was not only a great motivator but also a geat coach. He had one elite team with experience in the early '80s and took them to the Final 4....his other success was his purely a result of his coaching ability. And don't give me the CJ, Shaq, n Stanley bullshite....Shaq and SR. were big awkward players learning to play as a team, and Shaq was really still learning to play.
Furthermore, this "great motivator" but "couldn't coach" shite is ridiculous. To have the wins and the success he had WITH the talent he had shows he was not only a great motivator but also a geat coach. He had one elite team with experience in the early '80s and took them to the Final 4....his other success was his purely a result of his coaching ability. And don't give me the CJ, Shaq, n Stanley bullshite....Shaq and SR. were big awkward players learning to play as a team, and Shaq was really still learning to play.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 10:14 pm to airbornetiger
The myth Dale Brown was not a x and o coach is very old and tiring. Brown was years ahead of the NBA using Tex's triangle offense in the mid 70's and it would be near 15 years later the NBA started using it league wise.
Brown's defense was light years ahead of the SEC, wish they played that kind of defense in the NBA.
Dale's last 3 teams lost it's top 3 players, Earl was forced by the NCAA to turn in LSU and go to Kansas, Livingston got hurt out of HS (would have been better than CJ from what I saw of him), and Randy got hurt at LSU. Given those 3 players LSU would have won those years imho.
When Dale got here LSU basketball was running on empty, very little talent, no depth, etc. He got in Glenn and the rest and turned a team that should have had a losing record and did what some said was his best coaching job ever at LSU. Personally I think his job in 1981-82 was his best, having lost Macklin, Cook, Martin and Sims; he took a small team and outplayed a number of very good SEC teams.
Brown's defense was light years ahead of the SEC, wish they played that kind of defense in the NBA.
Dale's last 3 teams lost it's top 3 players, Earl was forced by the NCAA to turn in LSU and go to Kansas, Livingston got hurt out of HS (would have been better than CJ from what I saw of him), and Randy got hurt at LSU. Given those 3 players LSU would have won those years imho.
When Dale got here LSU basketball was running on empty, very little talent, no depth, etc. He got in Glenn and the rest and turned a team that should have had a losing record and did what some said was his best coaching job ever at LSU. Personally I think his job in 1981-82 was his best, having lost Macklin, Cook, Martin and Sims; he took a small team and outplayed a number of very good SEC teams.
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 1/18/15 at 6:24 am to tigger1
Daddy Dale went to 2 final fours in 28 years. Based on your post, I would have expected more.
John Brady could have had the exact same resume as Dale Brown if we let him coach here for 28 years.
John Brady could have had the exact same resume as Dale Brown if we let him coach here for 28 years.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 6:49 am to PinevilleTiger
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Part Deaux
'Part dough'?
Posted on 1/18/15 at 7:46 am to PinevilleTiger
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Johnny is Dale Brown Part Deaux!
we can only hope
Posted on 1/18/15 at 8:21 am to JamesonandTiger
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When JJ gets us to a couple of Final 4s and wins 4 SEC titles and gives Uk fits for 15+ years and schedules huge games against big time ooc teams and wins many of them...then I might agree IE don't mention them in the same sentence
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Johnny is Dale Brown Part Deaux!
This is a HUGE insult to Dale...................
Posted on 1/18/15 at 8:28 am to Choupique19
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Brown gets dumped on for his X's and O's, but he was better than most. It took guys like Bobby Knight and Denny Crum to outcoach him. In fact, when Brown didn't have loads of talent, he outcoached a lot of teams himself. He made an Elite 8 run with a pretty weak team if speaking of overall talent. Had Bobby Knight not intimidated the refs, and had one of our freshman made a front end of a one and one, we would have been playing in a Final Four in the Superdome. Indiana ended up winning it all that year.
Was Brown an all-time great X and O, no. But he wasn't terrible.
Freak defense, anyone??
My God this.
I would give anything to have JJ even in the same light year as DB in terms of coaching.
DB took MANY teams with less talent and pulled off annual upsets of better teams. Not to mention an NCAA streak of appearances that will probably not be matched again by any other coach at LSU.
Hell, I'd give anything now just to make the damn NCAA final 68, but that too is a long shot....AGAIN...
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:05 pm to LSUzealot
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Daddy Dale went to 2 final fours in 28 years. Based on your post, I would have expected more.
John Brady could have had the exact same resume as Dale Brown if we let him coach here for 28 years.
Dale was at LSU for 25 years. Brady could have never lasted that long because of his personality. He was a pretty good coach, but he lost more players than any coach I've ever seen because he couldn't get along with anyone . I think he had 13 players graduate in 10 years or something. Players transferred out left and right. He was alienating everyone.
Dale took over a team that hadn't been to the tournament in 18 years and had only four winning seasons in those 18 years.
Brady did a good job with getting Stromile Swift, Jabari Smith and those guys. He built a good team with them. But he was fortunate that Collis Temple Jr. housed Big Baby and had Tyrus Thomas and Tasmin Mitchell were on the same AAU team as his son. He handed Brady those players because they were all so close. Brady won a combined total of 6 SEC games in his last two seasons and he had a lot of talent on his last team (as Trent Johnson would show the next year when LSU won the SEC). Brady's success was done at LSU after the Big Baby era. If we had let him coach another 15 years, it would not have been good. Brady did go out with class in his exiting press conference though.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:09 pm to PinevilleTiger
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Johnny is Dale Brown Part Deaux!
thanks for the unique perspective. totally new topic you are covering
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:28 pm to PinevilleTiger
I would be ok with that. Love me some Dale Brown.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:41 pm to CFFO
I agree that Dale gets unfairly criticized for his Xs and Os, but he did tend to get beat by people like Bobby Knight and Rick Pitino. Dale as others have said was a great recruiter, motivator, and salesman for LSU basketball.
Seriously without DB LSU hoops would like Auburn or Alabama clearly the red-headed stepchild of the athletic department.
Dale's last hurrah was the Randy and Ronnie show but unfortunately injuries and Dale seeming to be more interested in non-basketball business opportunities hurt the program and the Lester Earl saga was the last straw, but Dale made the PMAC the place to be after football season. LSU was also a basketball school when Dale was here.
I felt John Brady should have been kept, but that is a different discussion.
Seriously without DB LSU hoops would like Auburn or Alabama clearly the red-headed stepchild of the athletic department.
Dale's last hurrah was the Randy and Ronnie show but unfortunately injuries and Dale seeming to be more interested in non-basketball business opportunities hurt the program and the Lester Earl saga was the last straw, but Dale made the PMAC the place to be after football season. LSU was also a basketball school when Dale was here.
I felt John Brady should have been kept, but that is a different discussion.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:49 pm to PinevilleTiger
What Johnny Jones has done thus far recruiting wise is pretty much unheard of. Back to back top 5 classes out of nowhere. Dale had to start somewhere too, so I think its a fair comparison. If JJ keeps it up, he's well on his way to equal or more success than Dale.
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