re: Johnny is Dale Brown Part Deaux!

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BEFORE Johnny Jones came here

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Are you implying that he knew he was coming to LSU and had his guys recruited already? Because our recruits weren't playing for North Texas, and Trent damn sure had zero to do with them.

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Dale Brown is a legend because he was a great recruiter and motivator, but he left the coaching up to his great assistants.

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LULZ Jones was an assistant for Dale for over 10 years.

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Pretty sure Dale had ten times more success than Jones has had thus far.

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Jones has the best record of any LSU coach through 2 seasons and will likely have the record through 3 seasons as well...

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Dale was much better then Jones. Much better, or else he had better assistant coaches on the bench. Jones is equal to Trent with better talent.

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Jimmy and Joes are more important than X's and O's... Takes a coach to get those players to come in.


Johnny Jones currently has a 52-30 record at LSU. That is 63.4% winning percentage. That is the best winning percentage of any coach since 1945 When A.L. Swanson went 4-2 as head coach.

Press Maravich won .469 of his games. Dale Brown .598... John Brady won .601 but still not up to Jones' .634...

We are in an era where LSU fans won't take anything less than perfect from our coaches and I totally understand wanting to improve. Shoot, I promise I want this team to perform better as much as anyone. But to act like Johnny Jones is so much worse than some of those other coaches is laughable. Unles you are Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc you have to try and fight for program players and wait for the one or two years where you can get the perfect match of talent and program players to make a run.

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Are you implying that he knew he was coming to LSU and had his guys recruited already? Because our recruits weren't playing for North Texas, and Trent damn sure had zero to do with them.

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No. I am saying someone else recruited TQ, Martin, Mickey, etc. Whether it was Trent or someone else associated with the program (Dale Brown and friends?) who knows. But Jones does not get credit for those guys in my book.

As for Simmons, I suspect his recruitment was started before CJJ came on board as well. But of course CJJ gets credit.

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Simmons

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Well I'll give partial credit to CJJ for this one and partial to David Patrick (who was hired by CJJ)

And yes, TQ, Martin, Mickey, etc. were all 100% CJJ. That's pretty much a fact.

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Doubtful. David Patrick has been the sole reason Simmons gave LSU a look and he was hired by Jones.

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Wouldn't be the first time an assistant coach was hired for having hooks into a top recruit. Didn't we hire Stanley Roberts' uncle or father? I also recall another state supposedly sent a relative of his to jail as part of a really strange recruitment process.

Dale Brown first 3 years:

14-10 (9-9)
12-14 (6-12)
10-16 (6-12)

Johnny Jones first 3 years:

19-12 (9-9)
20-12 (9-9)
13-4 (2-2)

Jones already has 3 more wins than Brown did in year 3.... He has put together some very impressive recruiting classes.... He is very passionate for LSU Basketball... I don't understand any of you people who act like Jones is the worst coach of all time.



Many people here may be shocked, but it took Dale Brown 7 years to make the NCAA Tournament. SEVEN. That was his first time making any kind of post-season tournament. It took him 6 years to have a positive SEC W/L record and in year 7 he won the SEC and made the sweet 16.

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Very true, but Trent couldn't even pull in the top local guys, so some credit has to be given. On top of that, I think Martin is the only instate guy JJ ever recruited. Is that accurate?

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We recruited Craig Victor very hard... We didn't get him in round one but Victor's head coach came out and had very positive words about Jones and the way he handled it. He said some coaches would get bitter the player didn't chose them the first go around but Jones understood and just wanted him to come in now.

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I suspect that the recruiting was done largely BEFORE Johnny Jones came here. I don't think anyone believes that a coach can walk onto a campus and suddenly pick up 4 and 5 star recruits. Maybe Coach K, but not a North Texas hire.

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Good lord.....If that was the case, why weren't we getting them before?

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When we had Shaq, Stanley Roberts and 4 other awesome players we had not just an NBA team but an NBA dream team. That team had way more talent than any other college team that has ever seen the court and if you can't win it all with that talent then it is NEVER going to happen.

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Not only that, we had Chris Jackson too!!

Shaq, Jackson, Stanley Roberts, Vernell Singleton, and other very good role players --- and we couldn't even win the SEC!!! We lost the regular season title to UGA led by (wait for it) Alec Kessler.

That was Dale Brown's Achilles' heel. He was fantastic at elevating the play of good/very good players, primarily through motivation, but he wasn't good at all at coaching elite talent and putting all those pieces together.

Not taking anything away from Brown - he put LSU basketball on the map when it was absolutely nothing - even counting the Maravich years.

"Dale relied on his assistants."

He did -- particularly in the late 80's/early 90's Ron Abernanthy (gone after '89) and Craig Carse. Johnny Jones was his recruiting guru. Abernanthy was his x's and o's guy (look at the timeouts on tv and notice Brown constantly consulting with him). Then, Jim Childers was brought on to bring Stanley Roberts with him...sort of doing halfway illegal stuff.

Brown's coaching was much better in the mid 80's. He had lesser talented teams. Minus John Williams, the majority of his players were overachieving feel good story boys (Russell Grant, Dennis Tracy, etc.). Nikita Wilson was very good, but was academically ineligible nearly 1/3 of his career. Oliver Brown, Daryl Joe, Bernard Woodside, etc. were great defenders and horrid offensive players. Still, Dale could win with this group.

When Abernanthy left, coaching really went to hell. If Chris Jackson and Shaq elected to go elsewhere, we would have seen much of the same in overachieving teams.

LSU beat the likes of Oklahoma in '88, Georgetown and UNLV in '89, and made the tourney field from '85 to '93. That was a feat that no one else could do but Dale.

Still, Dale and JJ are the same creature. JJ is not exactly even qualified to be the HC at LSU. He did not make North Texas into Butler or Gonzaga. It's not like he got the job because of his resume. He got the job because somehow we'd hope x's and o's could be derived from all of the talent he would hopefully scoop us. So far, this has not come full circle and may never. Dale got us to the 2nd round only TWICE from '88 to '93. Right now, this is the best to expect from this team, too.