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JJ Running/ Passing QB
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:32 pm
So JJ was assumed to be somewhat of a running QB, he doesnt see him run the option very well, nor does he even run the ball effectively.
Well what about a passing QB? His long release and unawareness of pocket pressure, dont seem to give him justice there
so what type is he? can he win a championship?
Well what about a passing QB? His long release and unawareness of pocket pressure, dont seem to give him justice there
so what type is he? can he win a championship?
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Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:38 pm to rschwe5
He is a young, inexperienced, growing pocket QB who happens to have mobility. His rate of development has been rather slow, however.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:39 pm to rschwe5
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so what type is he?
He's definitely a passing QB. His got a little bit of scramble ability once he picks up a full head of steam, but he's slow to start, and scrambling isn't really what makes a QB a "running QB" anyway.
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can he win a championship?
Eh, I don't really feel like answering this type of question in February. After LSU plays UNC, then I'll start commenting on stuff like this concerning the QB.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:12 pm to Doc Fenton
He is a better runner when he doesn't run the option. When he doesn't see anything open and just runs he much better.
As far as passing, I'll give him a C+. He has done a credible job but not outstanding.
As far as passing, I'll give him a C+. He has done a credible job but not outstanding.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:28 pm to rschwe5
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So JJ was assumed to be somewhat of a running QB, he doesnt see him run the option very well, nor does he even run the ball effectively.
well, running qbs dont mean you can run the option. just because you are fast or can run does not mean you can run the option.
the option should be scratched but no other run play was working so they tried to go outside, not a bad call but not his game.
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Well what about a passing QB? His long release and unawareness of pocket pressure
his release is not as long as tebows and it didnt hurt him, his passing has improved from his freshman year on.
his unawareness of pocket pressure stems from youth. he's affraid to throw picks and as he grew through the year, he started turning it loose and didnt take as many sacks.
he's a solid quality qb that can compete for a west title, just depends on his intangables now. time will tell.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:41 pm to jrich11
THis is probably one of the things I look forward to most is his performance in the UNC game. I want to see him take a bit of leadership, and deliver a solid performance. I've always liked Jefferson and while he's not outstanding, he's a solid QB and I think there is only more room to get better.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:46 pm to filmmaker45
I think he's still more comfortable in a spread which he played in hs. He seems very shaky coming from under center and trying to be a pocket passer
Posted on 2/23/10 at 4:23 am to rschwe5
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So JJ was assumed to be somewhat of a running QB, he doesnt see him run the option very well, nor does he even run the ball effectively. Well what about a passing QB? His long release and unawareness of pocket pressure, dont seem to give him justice there. So what type is he? can he win a championship?
Why do you even bother posting this? First you say he can't run, then "ask" if he can pass and then answer your own question, followed by another, and then you want to know if he can win "a championship?" BTW, which "championship" are you "asking" about? Also, if the guy (or any QB) really can't run or pass, why in the heck would he even be playing?
Just once, I wish a thread would start like this:
"Will JJ be an effective running and/or passing QB this season, with a re-vamped OL and many talented but young skill-position players? Or do you think he won't be able to improve as a passing or running QB? If he can't, who would replace JJ as starting QB, and could that guy win a "championship?"
Posted on 2/23/10 at 4:33 am to johnsec
Jefferson is not a good runner when it's a set play, but when he improvises, he is very good. If he were more decisive in the pocket, he would be both a better passer and runner. He's much like a Terrell Pryor quarterback running the ball when he is scrambling, but he just doesn't know when to throw the ball away, tuck it and run, and when to throw it to a receiver. He has plenty of arm to be effective, although his accuracy isn't as good as I would like it to be, but he is plenty talented enough all-around to lead us to a title; however, he is just one small piece that needs to come together if that is to happen. We have to be able to run the ball next year or the results will be no different than this year, and that all starts with the OL playing like they have a pulse.
This post was edited on 2/23/10 at 6:49 am
Posted on 2/23/10 at 5:09 am to lsufball19
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Jefferson is not a good runner when it's a set play, but when he improvises, he is very good.
I'm glad you guys aren't as weary of the old "canned hunt" QB questions as I am...
Yeah, when they roll him out and nothing's there, he's very good at running to the edges and past the 1st-down marker (avoiding contact, as well). But when his line betrays him and he stays in the pocket too long, only bad things can happen (though his INT total is relatively low). That's when the sacks and occasional int. grounding calls happen.
Let's face it, I don't think even M. Vick in his prime could bust LSU's version of the option (to the short side), plus he got hammered when he ran it straight up. Also, as you guys well know, there are such things as coverage sacks. I'm fairly confident if he has an improved OL, a sound running game to balance the offense, Shepard playing a P. Harvin role and if TT and Randle are mid- to deep-threats and passes to TEs sneak back into the playbook, it will be much easier to work on his mechanics. Who knows, maybe he could run a designed QB draw, but he'll have to learn to slide.
The Spring game will be good to see what they're really working on. Also, I want to see him generate and show more intensity and be fired-up, animated or whatever. When you have true leadership and confidence in your QB and he's making plays, it usually produces positive results from your teammates, right? Lots of things have to improve, but they do have a lot of talent and about six months to do it.
Posted on 2/23/10 at 5:34 am to KingwoodLsuFan
quote:I think that he suffers under Crowton. I don't think that Crowton plays to his players' strengths.
I think he's still more comfortable in a spread which he played in hs. He seems very shaky coming from under center and trying to be a pocket passer
Posted on 2/23/10 at 5:35 am to rschwe5
Why don't you and your 23 posts give it a rest...the new season is about to begin..be optimistic and give the coach's and the team the time to do something about the changes that need to be made....QUIT BITCHING...least it seems that is what you are doing... 
Posted on 2/23/10 at 7:24 am to Coach in Waiting
quote:This is true.
I think that he suffers under Crowton. I don't think that Crowton plays to his players' strengths.
Posted on 2/23/10 at 7:37 am to OTIS2
I think with proper coaching Jefferson could be a damn good QB. He is a good runnner, he just can't run the option very well. I don't understand why Crowton still forces him to run it, its clear he is uncomfortable and unsure when running an option. But he is great at running a designed QB draw, something we rarely see. He is also great at improvising when no one is open. I think Jefferson should be allowed to run more, just leave the option running to Shepard, and if he can't run it, ditch the damn option play!
I don't get why we don't use Shepard the way we used Perrilloux in 07. Clearly, Crowton is capable of running a successful option, does he just forget how to do it?
I don't get why we don't use Shepard the way we used Perrilloux in 07. Clearly, Crowton is capable of running a successful option, does he just forget how to do it?
Posted on 2/23/10 at 7:39 am to rschwe5
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So JJ was assumed to be somewhat of a running QB, he doesnt see him run the option very well, nor does he even run the ball effectively.
Only idiots that couldn't see past the skin color thought this. He was a pro-style QB that ran the spread offense exclusively all through high school. LSU is trying to make him something he's never going to be.
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Well what about a passing QB? His long release and unawareness of pocket pressure, dont seem to give him justice there
He can make every throw on the field. I've yet to see him make a mistake that can't be chalked up to inexperience.
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so what type is he? can he win a championship?
He's a good QB that needs an even better QB COACH! And YES, he can win a championship.
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:14 am to LSUdm21
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He can make every throw on the field.
c'mon now man...seriously???...He has velocity on his ball but he's gotta set his feet and quit stepping out while throwing to his left, he's falling toward the line instead of stepping to his throw...one of the reasons he's inaccurate (especially on a moving target) doesnt throw the deep ball well, doesnt have touch yet. Can it be learned? sure. But he's gotta put in the work...stay late with recievers, and get on the same page...
he's a scrambler, not a runner, Shep is a Spread option QB (Running QB) JJ does scramble very well to pick up first downs...big bodied kid with a long stride...Hope he's learning the ropes and working hard. I obviously have my doubts that he will be any better, I hope to god Im wrong for the Sake of the team...
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:46 am to TigerFan55555
U will be able to tell the first game with NC. If he doesn't show up in that game we have another long season.
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:48 am to rschwe5
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So JJ was assumed to be somewhat of a running QB
I don't think many people actually thought this when he was recruited. Most people thought he was a pocket passer with "mobility" meaning he could run straight ahead if needed a la J. Russell.
He is not in any way shape or form an option QB. It's frustrating that we still even consider the option a viable play at this point.
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:53 am to cajunjj
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U will be able to tell the first game with NC. If he doesn't show up in that game we have another long season.
i agree, first game is gonna set the tone...
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:55 am to TigerFan55555
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c'mon now man...seriously???...He has velocity on his ball but he's gotta set his feet and quit stepping out while throwing to his left, he's falling toward the line instead of stepping to his throw...one of the reasons he's inaccurate (especially on a moving target) doesnt throw the deep ball well, doesnt have touch yet. Can it be learned? sure. But he's gotta put in the work...stay late with recievers, and get on the same page...
So you roll your eyes then agree with me? You're special.
I never said he didn't need to work on every one of them but the ability is there. You really need to get over your JJ hate brah.
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