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re: Jefferson
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:21 pm to NimbleCat
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:21 pm to NimbleCat
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PLEASE: stop quoting his chickenshit completion percentage...I wish there was a percentage to quote for his 3rd down passes thrown short of the 1st down marker yielding punts...
Needing 10 yds and throwing it 2yds on 3rd needing 7 and throwing for 4yds are no better than an incompletion. Both=Punt.
I'm really getting tired of the general lack of football knowledge on the rant. He can only throw to the routes the receivers are running or scramble -- his two options.
His QB Rating was 153.73. We can go over specific examples if you want but it's just gonna result in you looking like a retard.
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 1:23 pm
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Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:23 pm to bmy
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Jefferson made the reads, stepped into the pocket, and made throws. He was 15/21 - 151 yards, 2 TDs/1 int. 71.4% completion rate. 1 sack.
He still isn't going through his progressions and is always going to have a high completion pctg throwing the passes he does. Unfortunately those passes don't move the chains. Same as last season IMO, little has changed. The pass to Randle was promising though, but the rest of the game was the same ole JJ.
The blueprint for opposing teams is pretty simple. Take away the primary receiver and JJ panics. This is something he has to improve on for the offense to improve. He has the talent, but don't think he has a QB coach.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:25 pm to FightinTiga
Jefferson is obviously a shotgun quarterback that needs to get into rhythm and then stay in rhythm (very much like C Leak used to be). When we were calling those plays he got hot, stayed hot, and the team THRIVED, then we went mediocre in the second half and then expected him to "click" it back on for us..that is when he started to run around like last year..can't do that with him.
Bottom line we should be a pass first/run second team, then mix it up late, but score as much as we possibly can while that guy is in rhythm..hopefully lesson was learned yesterday..
Bottom line we should be a pass first/run second team, then mix it up late, but score as much as we possibly can while that guy is in rhythm..hopefully lesson was learned yesterday..
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:25 pm to cardee2003
He couldn't provide a ball control offense and he is very averAge at best
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:26 pm to NimbleCat
JJ is doing just fine?
The intential grounding play cost at least a FG that would have been a big difference down the stretch. How about the INT at the end of the half? Same root cause. When JJ gets pressure, he gets flustered and does silly things. He also still stares down receivers and when his primary receiver is covered he still panics.
He almost held on to the ball too long on the TD pass to Randle. Had Randle not beat his man so badly the DB might have made up the ground on the late, slightly underthrown ball.
The intential grounding play cost at least a FG that would have been a big difference down the stretch. How about the INT at the end of the half? Same root cause. When JJ gets pressure, he gets flustered and does silly things. He also still stares down receivers and when his primary receiver is covered he still panics.
He almost held on to the ball too long on the TD pass to Randle. Had Randle not beat his man so badly the DB might have made up the ground on the late, slightly underthrown ball.
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:30 pm to Coater
JJ has come along alittle bit but still has some issues to work thru! He just about won't throw the ball unless receiver is all by himself. Also, he was late on the td throw to RR. The ball should have been there sooner but he so hesitant to just let go of the ball! Hope Sat was just an off night cause things really didn't go right early in the game and maybe that messed up his timing!
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:31 pm to Katy Tiger
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The intential grounding play cost at least a FG that would have been a big difference down the stretch. How about the INT at the end of the half? Same root cause. When JJ gets pressure, he gets flustered and does silly things. He also still stares down receivers and when his primary receiver is covered he still panics.
it seems odd that you place so much of the blame on JJ. take the admittedly very bad intentional grounding that cost us the field goal. shouldn't the O lin take some responsibility for that pressure or maybe take responsibiility for the holding penalty a play earlier.
what about ridley fumbling a way field goal the drive before?
what about the two O line penalties that killed the next drive?
and of course ridley fumbling yet again as we tried to ice the game.
but JJ, who stared down his recievers to the tune of 77% completion rate, is the problem...
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:35 pm to longwayfromLA
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to the tune of 77% completion rate
71.5%
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:38 pm to bmy
fair enough
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:39 pm to bmy
He has a long way to go in controlling the flow of the game and moving the chains. He can throw underneath for a 100% completion pctg, but that isn't going to help if you don't move the chains. Outside of the one pass to Randle, he looked exactly the same as last season.
Seemed the staff did a good job early at having JJ hit the quick slants across the middle. He seems to have little problem executing that play.
Seemed the staff did a good job early at having JJ hit the quick slants across the middle. He seems to have little problem executing that play.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
so which is it, is he always checking down or is he always looking in on his primary reciever? i know its very important that we criticize him no matter what i just want to know what this weekd criticism is.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The guy was rocked on both td passes. He made some nice runs out of the pocket. He was hitting the tight end over the middle. His tunnel screens were more accurate than last year.
Some people here say "we just need to get the ball to the playmakers" and others want Jefferson to launch it. What is it you guys want?
Jefferson moved the team in the second half, but everybody's favorite, Ridley, can't hold on to a football.
The only two stupid plays by Jefferson were the int. at the end of the half and the grounding play.
He also ran the option with more conviction.
Some people here say "we just need to get the ball to the playmakers" and others want Jefferson to launch it. What is it you guys want?
Jefferson moved the team in the second half, but everybody's favorite, Ridley, can't hold on to a football.
The only two stupid plays by Jefferson were the int. at the end of the half and the grounding play.
He also ran the option with more conviction.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He has a long way to go in controlling the flow of the game and moving the chains. He can throw underneath for a 100% completion pctg, but that isn't going to help if you don't move the chains. Outside of the one pass to Randle, he looked exactly the same as last season.
I've shown before that Jefferson is really really good in 3rd and short situations.. and that's probably why we'll be in so many of those this year.
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:47 pm to wilks28
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JJ is to intentional grounding as JL is to pick sixes.
OMG +1000
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:48 pm to bmy
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I'm really getting tired of the general lack of football knowledge on the rant.
I will relay the message to the folks I watched the game with: A 3 year LSU Starter that apparently doesn't know shite about football.
I will also try and relay the message to the H.S. football coach with 2 state championships to his credit...that they don't know anything about football. Thanks for the heads up. I hope to start watching games with you, so I can learn something about the game.
quote:
He can only throw to the routes the receivers are running
He threw to the ONLY receiver short of the first down. Randle was about 7 actual yards away from JJ. AGAIN: The easy completion, a worthless completion, a punt.
quote:
We can go over specific examples
Please Enlighten everyone.
The two examples I provide are my main problem with JJ, other than his option skills. A completion 8 yds short of a 1st down is a low percentage conversion pass. It IS a high completion percentage though.
I could bring up throwing the slant into everyone's ankles, or leading RS into a collision course with a Linebacker across the middle...buy I don't want facts to get in the way of JJ's Completion Percentage.
I would rather see incompletions thrown for 1st down yardage, than a completion yielding a punt.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:49 pm to NimbleCat
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I will relay the message to the folks I watched the game with: A 3 year LSU Starter that apparently doesn't know shite about football.
I will also try and relay the message to the H.S. football coach with 2 state championships to his credit...that they don't know anything about football. Thanks for the heads up. I hope to start watching games with you, so I can learn something about the game.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:51 pm to jtiger
his throwing has actually improved greatly IMO.
however his hesitation and lack of prediction has not changed at all. frick
he is still our best option though. just accept this is our situation.
however his hesitation and lack of prediction has not changed at all. frick
he is still our best option though. just accept this is our situation.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:52 pm to longwayfromLA
quote:
it seems odd that you place so much of the blame on JJ. take the admittedly very bad intentional grounding that cost us the field goal. shouldn't the O lin take some responsibility for that pressure or maybe take responsibiility for the holding penalty a play earlier.
Yes the OL takes the blame for the holding call that wiped out the TD run and yes they should have blocked on the grounding play, but JJ has to learn how to throw the ball away and not cost the team scoring opportunities. Even an 8 yard sack would have left us in FG range.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:53 pm to jtiger
there are a lot of other guys to look at before you look at Jefferson.
Ridley
Claiborne
Crowton
Taylor
off the top of my head.
Ridley
Claiborne
Crowton
Taylor
off the top of my head.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:55 pm to PoppaD
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This is very troublesome for a Junior quarterback
Well, they can't use the 'He's still young' excuse any more; what hurts is to see so many Freshman QB's making an impact across the country. Just can't understand why we can't bring in a quality starter/leader @ QB...
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