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re: Jefferson
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:29 pm to bmy
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:29 pm to bmy
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So you're stance is that Jefferson saw Clement open and chose to throw the shorter pass?
Your stance is that a Junior SEC QB starting for his second season doesn't:
A) Look for first down yardage throws first???
B) Cannot see a TE Dragging down the 1st down yard marker in a place where he is DESIGNED TO BE??
C) Doesn't know where the marker is???
I mean it isn't all on this guy, and there are plenty of places to point fingers- especially at the top (LM and GC-especially poor play calling), but the play is the play.
JJ has to know who is where. This isn't sandlot nor the first time they have run that play. JJ knows (or should know) where every player is going to be and when they are going to be there before the ball is even snapped. That play was designed to go to Clement. Why would the primary receiver on a 3rd and 10 be running a two yard route???
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Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:30 pm to NimbleCat
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NimbleCat
thanks for the link
Notice how JJ threw to the ONLY WR, that was short of the 1st down marker. And all his apologists were blaming it on the playcalling!!
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:32 pm to RobbBobb
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And since its obvious that JJ wont be one of them, lets just move on to how mediocre he is as an NCAA QB
You'd be unhappy with a 2k+ yards, 26TD, 10ish INT seasons
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:34 pm to RobbBobb
Yeah people who think Jefferson is fine are nuts. How many times did he make a pass that was beyond the first down marker? I seriously think it might have been 3 times. He never tries to make a play and always dumps it to the check off man. Its easy to have a 71 percent completion percentage when you're only throwing it 5 yards.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:34 pm to NimbleCat
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Your stance is that a Junior SEC QB starting for his second season doesn't:
A) Look for first down yardage throws first???
B) Cannot see a TE Dragging down the 1st down yard marker in a place where he is DESIGNED TO BE??
C) Doesn't know where the marker is???
I mean it isn't all on this guy, and there are plenty of places to point fingers- especially at the top (LM and GC-especially poor play calling), but the play is the play.
JJ has to know who is where. This isn't sandlot nor the first time they have run that play. JJ knows (or should know) where every player is going to be and when they are going to be there before the ball is even snapped. That play was designed to go to Clement. Why would the primary receiver on a 3rd and 10 be running a two yard route???
EXACTLY. As I said he is going through his checks and making reads. Jefferson MAY have made an incorrect read, the ref MAY have obstructed his view of Clement, or maybe Clement didn't get separation from his defender quick enough.
From that link it looks like Jefferson waited as long as he could for his primary to get open. I'm going to it on my DVR atm, but I don't think Clement was open.
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:35 pm to bmy
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How is it an ignorant statement if it's verifiable
Unfortunately, it is true. For a sizable apportionment of our fanbase, the race of the qb is still an important issue. Even the players on the team are cognizant of this peculiar dynamic.
I wouldn't call it racist but prejudiced rooted in history and culture.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:37 pm to bmy
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EXACTLY. As I said he is going through his checks and making reads
You need to show some proof of this, most of us don't see it. Even the announcers last night noted this as well. The folks who believe as you do are definitely a minority.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You need to show some proof of this, most of us don't see it. Even the announcers last night noted this as well. The folks who believe as you do are definitely a minority.
Look at that '3rd and 10' video. You can clearly see Jefferson check down to Randle.
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:41 pm to bmy
One time doesn't make a game. He isn't going through his progressions. This is where he has to improve. The film against UNC scrubs will be a blueprint on how to defend LSU for upcoming games.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:44 pm to NimbleCat
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Clement 88, open for first down
Although not perfect, the guy completed over 70% of the throws he was asked.
He had a 7.2ypa, which isn't terrible and an int on an attempted throwaway and only 1 sack (the anti-JJ platform).
He had a pretty good first game and should've scored 40+ pts if not for unfortunate turnovers and mistakes by team mates.
Armchair QBs can always find a play that should've executed differently. You can turn on any NFL game and still find multiple instances of QBs throwing to the less than perfect read. It's a shame the're not all as perfect as the great Armchair QB.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:48 pm to bmy
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I've shown before that Jefferson is really really good in 3rd and short situations.. and that's probably why we'll be in so many of those this year.
However, inspite of the steller performance by JJ vs North Carolina's second defense, without Peterson's 200 plus return yards and a TD we would have probably lost the game.
How many long drives for scores did we have in the second half, after NC made defensive adjustments to our offense? It's pretty obvious, once the opposing defense makes half time adjustments, JJ is limited in what he can accomplish.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:56 pm to Mayhawman
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Although not perfect, the guy completed over 70% of the throws he was asked.
Rewatch the link
He threw to the closest, ost wide open WR. On 3rd and 10. Thats why hes become "Mr. 3-and-out"
And why he completes all those behind the line, at the line, or 3yd passes for 70%
He threw 3 passes over 10 yds in the air:
1) TD to RR
2) int
3) near int at the goal line
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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One time doesn't make a game. He isn't going through his progressions. This is where he has to improve. The film against UNC scrubs will be a blueprint on how to defend LSU for upcoming games.
3rd quarter, 3:35 - 2nd and 7: Jefferson drops back, throws the ball deep to primary (2 underneath routes). Incomplete.
4th quarter, 15:00 - 3rd and 5: primary open, hit for first down on slant.
4th quarter, 14:00 - 3rd and 4: looks over the middle, hits RR for the first down on the outside.
4th quarter, 11:55 - 1st and 10: screen to ridley, dropped the pass
4th quarter, 11:55 - 2nd and 10: QB draw, 5 yard gain
4th quarter, 11:23 - 3rd and 5: TD Ridley, called back for holding. Score would have been 37-10 with 11 minutes to go in the game. Thanks Tbob.
4th quarter, 11:07 - 3rd and 15: Intentional grounding on JJ. I don't think a single UNC player was blocked.
frick this deserves it's own thread.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 3:07 pm to RobbBobb
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He threw 3 passes over 10 yds in the air:
1) TD to RR
2) int
3) near int at the goal line
This is a major issue caused by Crowton. UNC's strength was there nfl caliber linebackers. The weakness was the all new starting secondary but we never even tested the safeties and corner backs much with throws down the field.
Instead UNC challenged our new secondary and did quite good at it.
The problem is coaching and not trying to exploit weaknesses.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 3:18 pm to NimbleCat
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PLEASE: stop quoting his chicken shite completion percentage...I wish there was a percentage to quote for his 3rd down passes thrown short of the 1st down marker yielding punts...
Needing 10 yds and throwing it 2yds on 3rd needing 7 and throwing for 4yds are no better than an incompletion. Both=Punt.
This x 1,000,000,000,000,000
TheDoc and his ilk conveniently omit the context of those stats.
Jefferson looked impressive for most of the first half. Thereafter, not so good.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 3:20 pm to roygu
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How many long drives for scores did we have in the second half, after NC made defensive adjustments to our offense?
33yds
Jo. Jefferson pass complete to Mitch Joseph for 21 yards to the UNC24,
Stevan Ridley rush for 3 yards to the UNC12, fumble
50yds
Jo. Jefferson rush for 4 yards to the LS35,
Jo. Jefferson rush for 5 yards to the UNC19, Ridley rush for 14yd TD negated by T-Bob hold penalty, sack 21yds, int grounding.
Both drives should've ended in TDs and hardly QBs fault.
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