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re: Jefferson
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:55 pm to NimbleCat
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:55 pm to NimbleCat
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He threw to the ONLY receiver short of the first down. Randle was about 7 actual yards away from JJ. AGAIN: The easy completion, a worthless completion, a punt.
Yeah, he has got to look beyond the chains, it is his responsibility.
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Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:55 pm to TxTiger82
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On his throw to Randle, he hung in until the very last moment and got punished for it
Same deal on the first TD pass to Shephard. I saw him make a few nice passes right before getting smacked. There was that intentional that moved us out of field goal range and that ridiculous interception, but it wasn't like he was awful the other 55 plays.
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Shep dropped one third down pass that hit him in the numbers (he did get tagged by one of their stud LBs).
I'm surprised how no one has noted that was clearly helmet to helmet. Not even close to a legal hit. A terrible no call in my opinion (made the 15 yarder against Barrow in the subsequent drive that much more frustrating).
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:56 pm to Elleshoe
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there are a lot of other guys to look at before you look at Jefferson.
Ridley
Claiborne
Crowton
Taylor
off the top of my head.
agreed
jefferson made some mistakes, but also some really great plays
they had him in "safe mode" the entire second half
I can't believe no one is talking about how the defense was fricking LIT UP....
baffles me
Posted on 9/5/10 at 1:58 pm to TheDoc
Defensive play calling is to blame here and also Running backs not holding on to he ball!!! Period!!! If they would play more man up on D and play inside instead of outside they would have picked off 2 maybe 3 of those inside routes that killed us at the end!!!
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:00 pm to NimbleCat
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I will relay the message to the folks I watched the game with: A 3 year LSU Starter that apparently doesn't know shite about football.
I will also try and relay the message to the H.S. football coach with 2 state championships to his credit...that they don't know anything about football. Thanks for the heads up. I hope to start watching games with you, so I can learn something about the game.
Sounds like you watched the game with some pretty cool guys
I said I'm tired of the lack of football knowledge on the rant, and I am. Read around and tell me you're not fricking sick of it. Stupid fricks don't realize that half the time JJ is 'staring down a receiver' he's not even looking at his receiver. quote:
He threw to the ONLY receiver short of the first down. Randle was about 7 actual yards away from JJ. AGAIN: The easy completion, a worthless completion, a punt.
Who else was open? You'd rather him try to force a throw into coverage? A punt is worth more to this team than a high-risk INT. If you're familiar with 'WPA' (or Expected Points) you'll know what I'm talking about. The safe throw in that situation is almost always the right call.
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I could bring up throwing the slant into everyone's ankles,
Poor pass but it was catchable. Needs to get the ball just a little higher.
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or leading RS into a collision course with a Linebacker across the middle..
perfectly thrown pass, fantastic route, fantastic hit to separate the ball from the receiver. that's football. it was executed perfectly.. Shep just couldn't hold on to it
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I would rather see incompletions thrown for 1st down yardage, than a completion yielding a punt.
This is what I'm talking about.. when I said lack of knowledge. You'd rather Jefferson try to force the ball for a 1st down.. high risk, low reward. The smart play is to take what's available and give your WR a chance to make a play, worst case scenario you punt and make them play with their backs to the endzone.
This isn't NCAA 2010
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:00 pm to NimbleCat
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Please Enlighten everyone.
The two examples I provide are my main problem with JJ, other than his option skills. A completion 8 yds short of a 1st down is a low percentage conversion pass. It IS a high completion percentage though.
I could bring up throwing the slant into everyone's ankles, or leading RS into a collision course with a Linebacker across the middle...buy I don't want facts to get in the way of JJ's Completion Percentage.
I would rather see incompletions thrown for 1st down yardage, than a completion yielding a punt.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:01 pm to texastigerr
The pass to Randle was NOT a thing of beauty! Watch the replay. Randle broke open early. Jefferson was so slow to recognize it and get rid of the ball that the db nearly recovered and broke up an under thrown ball He was slow to make decisions and deliver the ball all night which is why the receivers took a beating. I want him to be better and expected him to be but he is not significantly better.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:08 pm to bmy
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Who else was open?
Clement 88, open for first down. 3rd and 10 yielding 2 yds
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You'd rather Jefferson try to force the ball for a 1st down.
That is not forcing the ball, that is a pass any junior SEC starting QB should be comfortable making.///
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:11 pm to TheDoc
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you are an idiot if you blame this game on Jefferson
Till the play calling gets WAY BETTER, the blame should not fall on Jefferson!
And, the defense did not meet up to my expectations!!! That being said, we have a lot of first year starters, so the D should get better as the season goes on.
I guess I'm a "negatiger" cuz I disagree with about half the play calling/game planning last night,,, Jefferson did good with what he was given.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:11 pm to NimbleCat
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Clement 88, open for first down. 3rd and 10 yielding 2 yds
So you're stance is that Jefferson saw Clement open and chose to throw the shorter pass?
He obviously didn't see Clement open for whatever reason. Perhaps the ref was in the way. quote:
That is not forcing the ball, that is a pass any junior SEC starting QB should be comfortable making.///
The above clip would have been an easy toss. I'm talking about the statement "I would rather see incompletions thrown for 1st down yardage, than a completion yielding a punt."
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:12 pm to NimbleCat
I blame the coaching staff for the results we have seen from Jefferson and Lee. Many schools have QBs with less natural ability and get WAY more out of them. Our QBs didn't get to redshirt under Jimbo and be developed. They had a wizard instead.
The root cause of the QB issues is coaching. I guess I should blame the professionals who get paid big $$$ to get the kids ready to play.
The root cause of the QB issues is coaching. I guess I should blame the professionals who get paid big $$$ to get the kids ready to play.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:13 pm to bmy
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So you're stance is that Jefferson saw Clement open and chose to throw the shorter pass?
Maybe it's because he's white. I mean since race is always an issue with you, why can't it go both ways?
See how dumb that shite sounds when you bring it up against anyone that doesn't suck JJ's dick?
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:14 pm to Katy Tiger
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The root cause of the QB issues is coaching. I guess I should blame the professionals who get paid big $$$ to get the kids ready to play.
I agree with you. Two junior QB's and the same problems persist. Its the coaching, or lack of it.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:16 pm to JJ27
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Maybe it's because he's white. I mean since race is always an issue with you, why can't it go both ways?
See how dumb that shite sounds when you bring it up against anyone that doesn't suck JJ's dick?
Race is almost NEVER an issue with me. Except with BT (i think thats who it is) or those like him. There is a large portion of LSUs fanbase that simply doesn't want Jefferson to start because he's black (how often do you hear 'how many great QBs in the NFL are black?'??)
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:16 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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does anyone remember the last game j lee started and how poorly he played?
Yeah.. I remember it, but I also remember the last 15 JJ has started and played: 300 YPG total O.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:18 pm to NimbleCat
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Clement 88, open for first down. 3rd and 10 yielding 2 yds
Yeah he was open. JJ can be a good QB if he can see the field. Last night it seems he locks on and throws to that receiver or scrambles. I hope to all the football gods that JJ will see the field better in the upcoming games.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:18 pm to bmy
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There is a large portion of LSUs fanbase that simply doesn't want Jefferson to start because he's black (how often do you hear 'how many great QBs in the NFL are black?'??)
God Damn this is an ignorant statement. If you can't beat them, call them a racist.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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God Damn this is an ignorant statement. If you can't beat them, call them a racist.
How is it an ignorant statement if it's verifiable by talking to people and/or looking up posts? It's a topic i've heard in conversations more than I would like to admit.
Fwiw there's a few reasons that most great QBs are white, IMO of course
Facts are that Jefferson has improved in almost every facet of his game. It's obvious to those with eyes.
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:22 pm to PoppaD
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Last night it seems he locks on and throws to that receiver or scrambles. I hope to all the football gods that JJ will see the field better in the upcoming games.
JJ stares down the receiver he wants to throw to every play, because, if he doesn't, he won't be able to find him.
Posted on 9/5/10 at 2:27 pm to bmy
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(how often do you hear 'how many great QBs in the NFL are black?'??)
And since its obvious that JJ wont be one of them, lets just move on to how mediocre he is as an NCAA QB
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