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re: jarrett lee should be the starter
Posted on 3/27/10 at 10:47 pm to tm91
Posted on 3/27/10 at 10:47 pm to tm91
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also we forget the throw from jj to shep that he dropped streaking down the sideline.
and this was my biggest problem with JJ today. his body language after that throw. Yes, RS should have had it but it was a tough catch -- especially for a guy just moving to WR.
JJ is never going to be taken seriously as a leader until he responds much better after a play like that. he was flopping his arms and moping towards the sideline. That is not a leader.
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Posted on 3/27/10 at 10:51 pm to Scratchy Pujols
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Sounds really objective
How can any of us not be objective when no one can see what goes on in practice.
I can only draw from what I've seen and from what ive seen JL is the better QB.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 10:54 pm to racingtiger88
Because he is the returning starter and J Lee hasn't done anything to take it from him. Until he does, JJ should be the starter.
I am not saying who should start in the first game. All I am saying is that neither one of them has been consistent. So, rather than stirring up drama before the season starts, we should go into summer/fall with JJ as our "returning starter" and see who has a better fall.
I am not saying who should start in the first game. All I am saying is that neither one of them has been consistent. So, rather than stirring up drama before the season starts, we should go into summer/fall with JJ as our "returning starter" and see who has a better fall.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 10:55 pm to racingtiger88
quote:In ONE practice scrimmage
I can only draw from what I've seen and from what ive seen JL is the better QB.
You're taking way too much out of one scrimmage.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:02 pm to Joe Joe Joe
There is no drama in having an open competition. I am all about having competition and a not just anointing the current starter. JJ has not proved himself enough to be handed the starting job just because he started last year.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:06 pm to Scratchy Pujols
its not just this scrimmage. Again, i dont think JL is a great QB but i do think he is better than JJ. JJ has shown nothing in his time as starter and the competition needs to be re-opened.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:09 pm to racingtiger88
quote:Neither has Lee
JJ has shown nothing in his time as starter
quote:I agree, and Lee needs to be added to the mix.
the competition needs to be re-opened.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:09 pm to SeattleTiger19
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So the guy who is burned into fans memory for his ability to throw a pick six, throws a pick six and he shows you growth? Just saying, would have been happy not to see him make the same mistake he made before.
yes, as weird as it sounds. My intimate partner, an NFL fan, is amazed that J Lee is getting any consideration after the 2008.
So.. J lee is ok (pretty good for a while but one pick 6 in shared time).
JJ is terrible. He still looks DAZED.
He is not taking being on TV well at all. Its still happening all too fast.
J Lee now has a TIC.
He cocks his head back, before he takes the snap.
He throws his head back. I think he could use a proper neck adjustment.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:10 pm to Scratchy Pujols
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You're taking way too much out of one scrimmage.
I'm not really confident in either at the moment, but as far as most of the things you look at when judging a QB, Lee is fundamentally better than JJ. He has to prove it in real games though, I don't think Lee can take the spot away in practice, unless JJ's attitude goes to hell or something (which I don't see happening).
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:12 pm to ottothewise
quote:No he's not; he's in the upper tier of SEC QBs. We could certainly have worse.
JJ is terrible.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:13 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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We need a qb who won't loose games for us. J Lee lost us multiple games two years ago, JJ just didn't do anything to win us games last year.
Really? The QB that "just didn't do anything to win us games last year"? That doesn't equate to losing games for your team when you are the most important player on the field?
And I would say Jefferson's sacks, particularly against Ole Miss, and inaccuracy and hesitancy have certainly directly contributed to losses.
The Fall should be open quarterback competition plain and simple. Lee and Jefferson should split snaps with the first team and the better player should get the nod. I saw an entire year of inadequacy and lack or growth from Jefferson and he looked the same today.
Lee's big problem is forcing throws that he shouldn't every now and again, and I think that's a far easier problem to remedy than Jefferson's.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:16 pm to Scratchy Pujols
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In ONE practice scrimmage
Sounds like JL has been outperforming JJ all spring.
For everyone who thinks JJ should be the definitive starter next season, I'll ask a few questions.
1. What do you think LSU's record would have been in '09 with the '08 defense?
2. People are quick to point out JJ's youth and inexperience as lot of the reason for his poor performance. Why is it that JL doesn't get this benefit, when his mistakes came during his RS-FR year(same length of time in the program as JJ when he took over)?
3. From what we have seen to this point, who seems to be progressing the most?
I am not pro/anti anyone, but I do want the players on the field that gives us the best chance to win. That being said, Lee is that guy IMO.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:17 pm to Scratchy Pujols
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The JL supporters are willing to give him the starting gig because he can make things happen every once and a while.
Again, I'll be glad to let whoever is the better QB be the starting QB. At this point however, it's not clear who is the better QB.
it is possible that Zach Lee may be better with no experience than all of the current roster QBs.
I am not predicting it, but if they are just muddling along when Zach lee comes to practice in the summer, and he can deal, then he may be the one. You never know. I understand he
may yet go pro baseball.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:18 pm to ottothewise
quote:It's possible, but very unlikely that he would even be given a chance at starting even if he was.
it is possible that Zach Lee may be better with no experience than all of the current roster QBs.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:20 pm to mrportcity
I'm just glad my job isn't riding on either one of our qb's.Whoever coaches decide to start I'm gonna be pulling for them really hard.Like so many people have already said they both have things to work on.They both aggravate the piss out of me.But no matter what I'm gonna pull for my Tigers and cheer on our qb through thick and thin whomever that may be.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:23 pm to jdutch75
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Sounds like JL has been outperforming JJ all spring.
For everyone who thinks JJ should be the definitive starter next season, I'll ask a few questions.
1. What do you think LSU's record would have been in '09 with the '08 defense?
2. People are quick to point out JJ's youth and inexperience as lot of the reason for his poor performance. Why is it that JL doesn't get this benefit, when his mistakes came during his RS-FR year(same length of time in the program as JJ when he took over)?
3. From what we have seen to this point, who seems to be progressing the most?
I am not pro/anti anyone, but I do want the players on the field that gives us the best chance to win.
Could not say it any better. Seems to me that a lot of excuses are made for JJ
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:23 pm to ottothewise
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I am not predicting it, but if they are just muddling along when Zach lee comes to practice in the summer, and he can deal, then he may be the one.
doubt he'll get enough work to be considered...it's pretty apparent Garrett didn't get much work this spring, and he still looks the most comfortable in the pocket to me. I would still rather him sit another year vs. burning another QB out by throwing him in too early.
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:27 pm to mrportcity
JL just needs to get roughed up. he seems like he's never been hit before, and he's scared that it's about to happen for the first time. his consistency is horrible, but when he's on, he's pretty damn good
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:27 pm to racingtiger88
quote:Excuses are made for everyone who doesn't succeed.
Seems to me that a lot of excuses are made for JJ
Posted on 3/27/10 at 11:29 pm to ItTakesAThief
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Lee has shown some serious heart and character the way he has handled this qb situation over the last two years.
"Not quitting" isn't enough to make him a good option. Sorry.
I respect that he stuck it out as well, but I still don't want him quarterbacking my team, as I have the want to compete for an SEC title this season.
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