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re: Jacques Talk: The day I parked in Nick Saban's spot
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:45 am to Samso
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:45 am to Samso
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Ok so if LSU would HYPOTHETICALLY go 7-5, 6-6, 5-7 the next three years, Les Miles should keep his job because he is a "good person", "graduates players", "runs a clean program", etc ??? YES winning is all that matters. That's why someone like Les Miles or Nick Saban is paid $4+ million. All the stupid "oh but he is such a good person" garbage means nothing unless you are completely delusional.
No, if Miles was a great man, but a terrible coach, then he would be out of work.
No one is debating that. What people are saying is, that even though we may have lost a handful more games with Miles at the helm, than Saban, we would still take Miles times out 10 out of 10.
The level at which Miles wins + his very entertaining media sessions is greater to us than Sabans few extra wins, and his whirlwind of condescending, media attacking, holier than thou, defensive deflective nature than doesnt work with most of the genuine people of Louisiana.
So if we lost Miles, those of you knighting for Saban would take Petrino also?
Where do you draw the line?
At what point is success not worth off the field example and behavior?
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Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:48 am to Keltic Tiger
To summarize….
-It is well documented that Saban is an a-hole
-It is well documented that Miles is a nice guy
-Both are successful football coaches and good leaders in their own way
-The crystal ball that Saban won for LSU is just as valuable as the one Miles won for LSU, no matter the process for obtaining it.
My opinion: I hope in 15-20 years, after both have retired, there is a statue of both somewhere around Tiger Stadium.
-It is well documented that Saban is an a-hole
-It is well documented that Miles is a nice guy
-Both are successful football coaches and good leaders in their own way
-The crystal ball that Saban won for LSU is just as valuable as the one Miles won for LSU, no matter the process for obtaining it.
My opinion: I hope in 15-20 years, after both have retired, there is a statue of both somewhere around Tiger Stadium.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:48 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
You're moving the target. Now it appears you're separating "leader" and "quality human being" (however you define that).
True, there are great leaders of organizations who are miserable people. And the flip side is also true, there are great people who are terrible leaders.
THis is big-time football. I want my football coach to be a great leader of the program, and that means being a winner on the field.
Yes, I'd love to couple that with my coach being a wonderful person too, but at this level, my primary objection is to see success on the field.
Now, of course, if the coach is too much of a douchebag, I don't want him at all, even if he's a proven winner. So it's a sliding scale.
Bill Belichik seems like a turd, but he's a great NFL coach, and I'd take him in a heartbeat (for the Falcons here in Atlanta).
But let's all stop this kumbaya.
True, there are great leaders of organizations who are miserable people. And the flip side is also true, there are great people who are terrible leaders.
THis is big-time football. I want my football coach to be a great leader of the program, and that means being a winner on the field.
Yes, I'd love to couple that with my coach being a wonderful person too, but at this level, my primary objection is to see success on the field.
Now, of course, if the coach is too much of a douchebag, I don't want him at all, even if he's a proven winner. So it's a sliding scale.
Bill Belichik seems like a turd, but he's a great NFL coach, and I'd take him in a heartbeat (for the Falcons here in Atlanta).
But let's all stop this kumbaya.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:56 am to DallasTiger
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But sure, great anecdote to bring up here in this thread. Compared to Paterno, Saban is definitely a scumbag.
I wasn't espousing Paterno's greatness. I was telling what I found do be a pretty humorous anecdote.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:57 am to theknightswhosay
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Haha, I hope that story is true. I could see Paterno saying that.
I'm sure that Saban really cared what a guy who ran interference for a pedophile had to say.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 12:22 pm to 911Moto
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Th is sounds more like a reporter intentionally parking in Saban's spot to make himself the centerpiece of a story.
Make himself the center of the story, then wait 11 years to mention it? Doucet really knows how to work the long con.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 12:25 pm to Keltic Tiger
Being a great leader.. in the context of football... has more to do than the win/loss column.
Does it include the win/loss thing... ok.. sure.. but it is not the only thing.
Does it include the win/loss thing... ok.. sure.. but it is not the only thing.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 12:29 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
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Miles teaches his players so much more than just football. He teaches them family life is important, he teaches them how not to throw people under the bus, Miles is extremely loyal, he is passionate, and has defended his players in the media vehemently, as has shown great leadership skills by diving on the sword protecting those around him.
Do you not remember when Miles threw Jordan Jefferson under the bus after Ole Miss 2009, following the "clock it" incident? Do you not remember him blaming some of the shitty offensive gameplans on lack of execution, ie throwing the players under the bus?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 1:06 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
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BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Ironically, your persistent, misguided character assassination on Saban is indicative of low character on your part.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 1:40 pm to TKLSUMD
I have never thought much of his coaching,firing Lou tepper and Having espn do his recruiting is the high point of his coaching career !
Posted on 11/4/14 at 1:56 pm to OFWHAP
He didn't throw any body under the bus and saben stinks as a human being and not so hot as a coach now try not to cry over thought !
Posted on 11/4/14 at 2:00 pm to OFWHAP
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Do you not remember when Miles threw Jordan Jefferson under the bus after Ole Miss 2009, following the "clock it" incident? Do you not remember him blaming some of the shitty offensive gameplans on lack of execution, ie throwing the players under the bus?
I never claimed Miles to be infallible or perfect. If he truly mistreated JJ, would his little brother have came and played for Miles? No, JJ and his family have nothing but respect for Miles and how he conducts himself.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 2:06 pm to inadaze
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Ironically, your persistent, misguided character assassination on Saban is indicative of low character on your part.
Funny your user name fits you. I can understand how it would be hard to discern character assassination with fact when you have a mouth full of napoleon complex midget Saban schlong....
No one in their right mind can argue Saban stands for good character.
His family life is perhaps the most indicative trait. Go do your own research, but dont come defending him with nothing to back it up.
Saban could be a great coach without being a total arse. He is a total arse. Anyone who has run into him, on or off the field will tell you the same.
Why cant Saban still do his job while being a decent person?
Because he is obsessed with it. He does not separate success on the field with a regular life. He decided to trade being a good person, a family man, and a positive influential person for football notoriety and accolades.
That is his decision, but I certainly see him for what he is. Simon Cowell, Donald Trump, Nick Saban, and most politicians are all successful douche bags. I happen to not be easily swayed by someone who is successful, but chooses to be a dick.
Its much more impressive to be successful in business and not be a total sell out
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 2:37 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
If you're going to complain about the behavior of Saban's son and daughter, then I can tell you that there are plenty of loving and supportive families that also produce substance abusers and crazy bitches. For all those people you see on the OT Lounge talking about their own problems or those of their loved ones, are you going to tell them that they come from or produced a shitty family? "Oh your son just overdosed, you must be an awful parent!" I'm not saying that Saban's a great person by any means, but you shouldn't use his children as a talking point to attack his character.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 2:45 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
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Why cant Saban still do his job while being a decent person?
I disagree with your entire premise.
The man that you want to exalt as some superior person said that he respects Saban at his press conference on Monday. How do you square that?
I'm not going to address the rest of that pathetic bullshite you wrote because I don't have the time, or the interest at this point.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 3:11 pm to inadaze
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The Jilted Lover Syndrome around here is pathetic.
I agree, but I'm not sure if it's for the same reasons. I think the people who want him back are the pathetic ones.
I wasn't happy he went there, but Alabama can have him. I'll usually cheer against Alabama whether he's there or not.
I don't think he's been a bad sport like Muschamp and Spurrier can be, so he really doesn't bother me that much.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 3:13 pm to inadaze
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he respects Saban
Anyone should respect Saban AS A COACH. He didn't just stumble into the games he's won by accident.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 3:18 pm to inadaze
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The man that you want to exalt as some superior person said that he respects Saban at his press conference on Monday. How do you square that?
I'm not going to address the rest of that pathetic bullshitee you wrote because I don't have the time, or the interest at this point.
He can respect him as a coach, but not as a person. Besides, Miles is classy, he wouldnt go ahead and call Saban out in public, that would make no sense.
Agree to disagree obviously
Posted on 11/4/14 at 3:20 pm to OFWHAP
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If you're going to complain about the behavior of Saban's son and daughter, then I can tell you that there are plenty of loving and supportive families that also produce substance abusers and crazy bitches. For all those people you see on the OT Lounge talking about their own problems or those of their loved ones, are you going to tell them that they come from or produced a shitty family? "Oh your son just overdosed, you must be an awful parent!" I'm not saying that Saban's a great person by any means, but you shouldn't use his children as a talking point to attack his character
Agreed, as a sole factor. That coupled with his media persona, sideline antics, and personal stories from a myriad of interactions seals the deal. Stop cherry picking one small piece of my argument, when its clear I have stated its much more than that...
Posted on 11/4/14 at 3:56 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
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Agreed, as a sole factor. That coupled with his media persona, sideline antics, and personal stories from a myriad of interactions seals the deal. Stop cherry picking one small piece of my argument, when its clear I have stated its much more than that...
I only cherry picked what you said was the most indicative trait, which I hardly consider to be a small piece of your argument.
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