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re: It's time for Johnny Jones to take a long look in the mirror
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:21 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:21 pm to thunderbird1100
Good gosh man, go look at their tourney last year. Seriously, you have no idea what you're even arguing about but you're arguing. They beat K-State and Stein and Johnson got 2 combined points. Harrison dropped 18 out of 56. Randle scored 19, the rest was guard play.
Wichita State, they score 78 and 52 was combined by their 3 guards
Louisville, the Harrison twins scored as much as the frontcourt of Johnson and Randle.
Michigan, Young and Aaron scored more than Johnson and Randle
Wisconsin, by far their pourest performance, yet they would have lost but Aaron Harrison made a 3 with 7 seconds left to put them up 74-73.
My point to all this is that you clearly did not watch their games and did not watch how their guards were the reason they got to the championship. All year their guard play was in fact mediocre, which is why they were an 8-seed. Then in the tourney, their guard play stepped up and they got to the NC game.
You said GUARD PLAY. Young is a guard.
Also, if you go 5/9 from the floor and 3/5 from 3 that's 13. I'd say over 50% and 60% for 3's is pretty damn good
Wichita State, they score 78 and 52 was combined by their 3 guards
Louisville, the Harrison twins scored as much as the frontcourt of Johnson and Randle.
Michigan, Young and Aaron scored more than Johnson and Randle
Wisconsin, by far their pourest performance, yet they would have lost but Aaron Harrison made a 3 with 7 seconds left to put them up 74-73.
My point to all this is that you clearly did not watch their games and did not watch how their guards were the reason they got to the championship. All year their guard play was in fact mediocre, which is why they were an 8-seed. Then in the tourney, their guard play stepped up and they got to the NC game.
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I've been talking about the twins, not Young.
You said GUARD PLAY. Young is a guard.
Also, if you go 5/9 from the floor and 3/5 from 3 that's 13. I'd say over 50% and 60% for 3's is pretty damn good
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 11:22 pm
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Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:24 pm to LSUButt
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Young
Played the 3 for them.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:24 pm to thunderbird1100
UCONN won a NC because of their guard play. Let's not forget what Napier and Boatright did for that team.
Point is, we just simply aren't as talented as people seem to think
Point is, we just simply aren't as talented as people seem to think
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:27 pm to LSUButt
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Point is, we just simply aren't as talented as people seem to think
We're exactly as talented as we are, which is as talented as ANYONE in the conference not named UK.
The point is, we keep losing to INFERIOR teams.
You cannot sit here and logically explain away the losses to Mizzou, MSU and Auburn. Those are horrible horrible talentless teams we lost to.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:27 pm to thunderbird1100
I guess the box scores that have him listed as a GUARD don't mean much. It is possible to play 3 guards 
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:28 pm to LSUButt
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I guess the box scores that have him listed as a GUARD don't mean much. It is possible to play 3 guards
He was a swing man, when people are talking about guard play in the NCAAT it's always been about your ball handler - PG and 3 point threat - SG. My whole point from the get go was the Harrison twins being nothing special.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:28 pm to LSUButt
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Good gosh man, go look at their tourney last year. Seriously, you have no idea what you're even arguing about but you're arguing. They beat K-State and Stein and Johnson got 2 combined points. Harrison dropped 18 out of 56. Randle scored 19, the rest was guard play.
Wichita State, they score 78 and 52 was combined by their 3 guards
Louisville, the Harrison twins scored as much as the frontcourt of Johnson and Randle.
Michigan, Young and Aaron scored more than Johnson and Randle
Wisconsin, by far their pourest performance, yet they would have lost but Aaron Harrison made a 3 with 7 seconds left to put them up 74-73.
My point to all this is that you clearly did not watch their games and did not watch how their guards were the reason they got to the championship. All year their guard play was in fact mediocre, which is why they were an 8-seed. Then in the tourney, their guard play stepped up and they got to the NC game.
Spot on
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:31 pm to thunderbird1100
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Mizzou, MSU
Because Martin had 4 points against MSU, and Martin and Mickey were 8/23 for 18 points combined against Mizzou. But then you turn around and say how talented they are. Against teams they should DOMINATE, Martin scores 4 and 9. So what's the explanation?
We have 2 "superstars", if they don't score we won't win. It's pretty easy to see that. But when you score 4 and 9 against the worst teams in the league, excuse me if I am hesitant about your NBA chances. I didn't see Big Baby or Bass scoring 4 against teams that had weak frontcourts
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:33 pm to thunderbird1100
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didnt say this year, he's not ready...but the talent is obviously there, and at 6'6 and being a PG, NBA teams will drool over him.
You are out of your mind. TQ would never be a pg in the nba. If anything he would be a 2 and he isnt making it their with his lack of creating his own shot and he is inconsistent in his shooting. No team is drooling over a pg that wont even make an all sec team and cant create his own shot against shitty sec talent. People thinking we have 3 future NBA players on our roster are put of their kinds. Outside of the blue bloods its rare as hell to have 3 nba players on a roster. Its hard to make the nba. O
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:34 pm to thunderbird1100
No, your point was solely about guard play and used the Harrisons as examples. But Young was also a very good 3-point shooter, which in case you forgot you said
Just in case you want to argue even some more, Young shot 100 more 3's than Aaron Harrison...so if your shooting guard should be taking the 3's......
quote:...they played with 2 shooting guards essentially.
3 point threat - SG
Just in case you want to argue even some more, Young shot 100 more 3's than Aaron Harrison...so if your shooting guard should be taking the 3's......
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:35 pm to LSUButt
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Because Martin had 4 points against MSU, and Martin and Mickey were 8/23 for 18 points combined against Mizzou. But then you turn around and say how talented they are. Against teams they should DOMINATE, Martin scores 4 and 9. So what's the explanation?
Did you not pay attention to what everyone has been saying? Just like tonight, they are INCONSISTENT. The talent is clearly there, they dominated NBA bigs against UK, especially Martin. Then Martin gets into the passive 6'10 240 pounder mode for somereason and takes himself out of games. That goes on coaching. If a guy cant get motivated to play, that's a COACHING issue.
Once again, both guys as SOPHOMORES are being projected as NBA picks, by some as 1st rounders, yet we get this shite with Martin where you never know which guy will show up.
Coaching has GOT to get better, it's seriously fricking pathetic we have 3 losses to teams we should have ran off the court. We go toe to toe with the clear #1 team in the country and they play amazing, we run Tennessee off the court...but cant beat the dregs of the conference? Makes absolutely no sense, and screams poor coaching.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:36 pm to LSUButt
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No, your point was solely about guard play and used the Harrisons as examples.
I only was talking about the Harrison twins, you brought in Young who I NEVER mentioned. Stop bringing him up, he's irrelevant to the point.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:37 pm to JaxTiger10
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Its hard to male the nba
Everyone just looks at numbers. No one ever looks at possessions and number of minutes. LSU has one of the fastest time of possessions in the country. What will that mean? It means more shots for both teams. What does that translate to? It means more points generally and more rebounds. Hence why we have some of the staggering numbers that we do. But then we turn around and have one of the worst offensive efficiency percentages in the conference.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:41 pm to thunderbird1100
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We have 1 player that will make an all sec team.
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Because UK is loaded with talent. Doesnt mean Martin and Quarterman arent very good, skilled players.
Even though he has been hit or miss, I would think Martin still has a chance just looking at his stats. He is top 5 in scoring, rebounding and field goal %. Mickey and Portis from Arkansas are the only other players that are top five in that many categories.
4 of LSU's 5 starters average double digits and LSU has 4 of the top 25 scorers in the SEC in their starting lineup. Depth is the issue.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:43 pm to LSUButt
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Everyone just looks at numbers. No one ever looks at possessions and number of minutes. LSU has one of the fastest time of possessions in the country. What will that mean? It means more shots for both teams. What does that translate to? It means more points generally and more rebounds. Hence why we have some of the staggering numbers that we do. But then we turn around and have one of the worst offensive efficiency percentages in the conference.
What i find laughable is people look at the college to nba like they do cfb to the nfl and its so different. In general, the transition from cbb to nba is far harder than cfb to nfl.There are players that werent great in cfb that go onto long nfl careers. Its very very rare for a cbb player to struggle in cbb and be successful in the nba.if you struggle to break your defender down and get your own shot in cbb, you damn sure arent doing it to nba teams.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:44 pm to thunderbird1100
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I only was talking about the Harrison twins, you brought in Young who I NEVER mentioned. Stop bringing him up, he's irrelevant to the point.
Dude, your WHOLE point was about guard play wasn't a big deal, then used UK as an example because the Harrisons were Freshman. However, you forgot (or maybe never knew) that they in fact played very well in the tourney. And you also forgot (or maybe never knew) that Young was also a guard for them. So when you brought up things about guard play, you automatically made Young a relevant talking point.
And I've paid attention to the thread. I also asked you what CJJ can do about their inconsistency. Should we play Darcy or Bridge over those guys when they are having a bad game? When ran at least 3 isolation plays to Mickey tonight in which he got a turnover, and 2 missed shots. Mickey playing 35 minutes and getting 4 rebounds while the players he is defending destroy the boards is not on Jones. The talent is there, but it's not there yet for an NBA career. Mickey is a very good college basketball player and Martin is honestly just average. Considering the minutes the shots, averaging 12.6 is nothing special at all. I'm not sure I've seen a single draft that has Martin on it. I have seen Mickey, and rightfully so because he's been more consistent.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:46 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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He is top 5 in scoring, rebounding and field goal %.
Now do that for just SEC games. Also, compare his minutes in SEC games compared to his competitors' minutes
Posted on 2/18/15 at 12:29 am to LSUButt
I took a look at it. His field goal % is actually higher (over 50%) in the SEC, his rebounding is virtually even and his scoring is 2.6 points lower per game or something like that. I imagine that other players are pretty similar considering that conference play is always a little tougher.
He does play a lot of minutes (so do the rest of LSU's starters), but I also think it hurts him at times at the end of the games because he's worn down. If his field goal percentage was low and not one of the best in the SEC, then I'd say all the time he was playing and shots he was taking was skewing things. Also, he probably had his best game against #1 Kentucky.
He does play a lot of minutes (so do the rest of LSU's starters), but I also think it hurts him at times at the end of the games because he's worn down. If his field goal percentage was low and not one of the best in the SEC, then I'd say all the time he was playing and shots he was taking was skewing things. Also, he probably had his best game against #1 Kentucky.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:31 am to adamb2151
quote:Year 3 guys. No reason for any of this at this point. We have some physical talent (Martin, Mickey, Hornsby) but not enough SEC caliber guards that are consistent and no bench at all. Year 3.
Team is not that talented. They don't make free throws, rebound and are careless with the basketball. People always talk about how talented we are. I think its time you look in the mirror and just realize we aren't that talented. Plus we have absolutely no depth.
The Triple M's (Including Musselman) will be gone after this season and what's going to happen next year when we flame out and not reach our potential again with Simmons and Blakeney.
There's one constant........
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:36 am to adamb2151
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They don't make free throws, rebound and are careless with the basketball.
You realize the things you listed have very little to do with talent? They have way more to do with effort, hustle, and coaching.
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