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re: It's nothing but stupid to keep starters in late of a blowout game!!
Posted on 9/10/12 at 1:51 pm to The312
Posted on 9/10/12 at 1:51 pm to The312
Exactly my feelings too 312. I never understood Saban's thinking. Not only Ben, Shy Carey was stepping up until he got injured late against Miss St. And someone, anyone, defend him leaving McAaron in so late when he was getting hit all game. It just seems that risk>reward
Posted on 9/10/12 at 1:55 pm to banone74
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Exactly my feelings too 312. I never understood Saban's thinking. Not only Ben, Shy Carey was stepping up until he got injured late against Miss St.
Let's not forget the infamous Mauck injury against Florida.
Most of all, I just hated Saban's tepid little justification for doing it: "Players can get hurt on any play."
Yeah, Saban, but the longer they are out there, the greater their overall chance of injury.
In any event, there can be some reasons to keep starters on the field late into blowouts, but it is a huge risk, especially at positions where you don't have much depth.
All that being said, I haven't looked at the tape, but I do recall the starters being taken out in the 4th against UW.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 1:58 pm to The312
Gambler's Fallacy. The risk of injury on a given play is the same regardless of how many plays are performed. The statistical risk is identical, as it is an independent event. Much like a hand in poker. Your odds of having a particular hand are identical for each hand dealt, regardless of how many hands you see.
This, whether it's the 1st play of the game or the 50th play, the risk of injury is TE same.
This, whether it's the 1st play of the game or the 50th play, the risk of injury is TE same.
This post was edited on 9/10/12 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:00 pm to Guava Jelly
Doesn't the probability change the longer you are out there?
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:05 pm to Guava Jelly
quote:horseshite. You're telling me that the "chance" of being injured is not less if you're on the field for 30 plays versus 60 plays? Complete horseshite.
Gambler's Fallacy. The risk of injury on a given play is the same regardless of how many plays are performed. The statistical risk is identical, as it is an independent event. Much like a hand in poker. Your odds of having a particular hand are identical for each hand dealt, regardless of how many hands you see. This, whether it's the 1st play of the game or the 50th play, the risk of injury is TE same.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:06 pm to xHITMANx
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I kept hearing it was to let the team continue to keep the pace and cohesion. It's only the 2nd game, they need the feel and reps to get into rhythm for the season.
this
And, you better accept the fact that Mett will be playing in the 3rd quarter. I expect 5:00 of the 3rd for Rivers to come in for the rest of the game. As far as the oline starters, the rotations will begin about that time with some starters in through the middle of the 4th.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:07 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:Not what was said.
horseshite. You're telling me that the "chance" of being injured is not less if you're on the field for 30 plays versus 60 plays? Complete horseshite.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:08 pm to Guava Jelly
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Gambler's Fallacy. The risk of injury on a given play is the same regardless of how many plays are performed. The statistical risk is identical, as it is an independent event. Much like a hand in poker. Your odds of having a particular hand are identical for each hand dealt, regardless of how many hands you see
Correct. On any given play where the player is in the game. However, the risk of injury on the bench is presumably zero (unless it is a very dangerous bench). So when you rest a player, his risk of injury is zero on a given play, whereas his risk would be something above zero on that same play if he were in the game. Hence, playing starters late in blow outs subjects them to additional risk of injury.
This is another way of saying that aggregate risk of injury increases as plays increases versus rest.
This post was edited on 9/10/12 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:08 pm to The312
quote:I brought that up in an earlier thread. Mauck was still in the game in a blowout at Florida, they had quit. Lost Mauck for a whole season because of Saban's stupid philosophy.
Let's not forget the infamous Mauck injury against Florida
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:35 pm to TheHound
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f you look at the big picture, this game was our chance to make a statement, in case Bama drops a couple of games this year. Our near shut-out of a PAC-12 team will be the only thing that keeps us ahead of USC or Oregon in the event that the rest of the SEC doesn't live up to expectations, weakening our SoS.
LOL,
If we go undefeated we are guaranteed into the National Championship, even if we had beat Washington by one point
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:39 pm to AlxTgr
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"Players can get hurt on any play."
Only if they're in the game.
Signed,
Matt Maulk
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:45 pm to AlxTgr
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players can get hurt on any play
And that's why you decrease the chances of them getting hurt in garbage time.
Also for the guys that don't start; they need some reps too. That way when/if your starter goes down he's not so wet behind the ears.
But this is a 50/50 rant subject, though.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 2:45 pm to Guava Jelly
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Gambler's Fallacy. The risk of injury on a given play is the same regardless of how many plays are performed. The statistical risk is identical, as it is an independent event. Much like a hand in poker. Your odds of having a particular hand are identical for each hand dealt, regardless of how many hands you see.
This, whether it's the 1st play of the game or the 50th play, the risk of injury is TE same.
yes each play is independent of the other for the chances of getting hurt, but the chance is 0% if you're not on the field
Posted on 9/10/12 at 3:03 pm to bhtigerfan
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Horse shite. You're telling me that the "chance" of being injured is not less if you're on the field for 30 plays versus 60 plays? Complete horse shite.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 3:11 pm to sunnydaze
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Miles probably learned his lesson from unc in 2010
this.
lsu/lm will never let that happen again. notice the scores since that game.
we will / have to BURY the teams.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 3:20 pm to banone74
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What says rant?
stick to lurking
Posted on 9/10/12 at 4:27 pm to Macintosh504
Thanks for the lame arse comment on a legitimate topic. And for rest of thread, I was mainly talking about leaving in either injured players or a players at a thin position, not wholesale substitutions across the board.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:18 pm to DEANintheYAY
Yea, let's pull our starters out so they cannot get any rhythm going, after all they have been playing together for a week.
We should be ready for the SEC play and Bama by now.
Damn, some fans are never happy.
We should be ready for the SEC play and Bama by now.
Damn, some fans are never happy.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:27 pm to bopper50
Les doesn’t want to run the score up, yet he keeps the starters in? and why not throw the frickin ball? is it any wonder the fans empty the stadium in the middle of the 3rd quarter? And what good does it do to put Rivers in and never get any reps throwing? it only takes one play and he’s your starter? and what about all the other players that could be getting reps? is 34-3 not enough with 10 minutes to go? the last 2 weeks the game was so boring for a quarter and half, while LSU shoved the ball down lesser opponents? stupid, stupid, stupid ...
Posted on 9/10/12 at 6:14 pm to banone74
Agreed that the risk of injury is a factor. Disagree about "seeing how Davenport" or anyone else would do. The coaches see them in practice all the time; they know how good they are. I think you listed the correct answer, which is, get them in game shape. Also, they need practice against real competition.
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