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re: It's nothing but stupid to keep starters in late of a blowout game!!
Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:24 am to la_birdman
Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:24 am to la_birdman
quote:Sorry bout that, but you did direct some of it to me. I get a little touchy when people can't take a little criticism.
First off, I wasn't talking to you. You saw me post and jumped on it.
quote:No, not a Saban lover. I do respect what he did for LSU and at Bama, but he is not infallible and neither is Miles.
If you're a Saban lover, I don't care
Sorry for jumping your shite.
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:27 am to la_birdman
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Did I say they were?
It's implied when someone responds to criticism of a coach with: "look someone else who knows more than the coaches."
I don't pretend to know more than our coaches. But coaches have blind spots that fans can occasionally see and in those cases criticism is warranted.
Whether it adds value or not to keep starters in after the outcome of a game has been decided is up for debate. I can see some reasons why they would. But it certainly entails risks and it's not out of bounds to comment/criticize.
At some point (you can suggest when), I think it would be prudent to get Mett off the field in blowouts.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:27 am to bhtigerfan
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you did direct some of it to me.
I directed it to you after you posted it to me.
I follow what you're saying but I think the coaches know more than you or I know.
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Sorry for jumping your shite.
We're cool, man. I'm not gonna hold a grudge.
We cheer for the same team, man!
Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:32 am to AlwysATgr
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It's implied when someone responds to criticism of a coach with: "look someone else who knows more than the coaches."
It is?
It's not out of bounds to voice opinions, concerns, aggravations, whatever.....
However, the point is the coaches know what they're doing. They get paid millions of dollars for this very thing.
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At some point (you can suggest when), I think it would be prudent to get Mett off the field in blowouts.
Again, how would I know? I'm not on the coaching staff. I sure don't know more than the coaches. There's a method to what they're doing.
Mett has only played in 2..... 2 games. Well, started is what I meant. I think the coaches want to get him more playing time with the OL as a complete unit in actual games.
Just one guy's opinion.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:39 am to AlwysATgr
quote:Why can't I write so eloquently in my arguments?
It's implied when someone responds to criticism of a coach with: "look someone else who knows more than the coaches." I don't pretend to know more than our coaches. But coaches have blind spots that fans can occasionally see and in those cases criticism is warranted. Whether it adds value or not to keep starters in after the outcome of a game has been decided is up for debate. I can see some reasons why they would. But it certainly entails risks and it's not out of bounds to comment/criticize. At some point (you can suggest when), I think it would be prudent to get Mett off the field in blowouts.
It all comes out of my head as "blah blah blah frick blah dumbass blah blah idoit!"
It really does make your argument seem so much more convincing. Can you learn me to write like that?
Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:39 am to la_birdman
quote:Yep.
It is?
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It's not out of bounds to voice opinions, concerns, aggravations, whatever.....
Agreed - that's what the OP is doing and no need to dismiss it out of hand with "another who knows more than the coaches" sarcasm.
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However, the point is the coaches know what they're doing. They get paid millions of dollars for this very thing.
Coaches make mistakes. They too have blind spots (e.g., Saban had Shyrone Carey ahead of Skyler Green on punt returns, it took Josh Booty to suggest Josh Reed could play WR). We could have paid Curley millions and he would have still been a bad coach.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:42 am to la_birdman
quote:Oh there's no doubt about that, but as AlwysATgr so eloquently said, coaches do have "blind spots" that many others can see.
I follow what you're saying but I think the coaches know more than you or I know.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:43 am to AlwysATgr
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It is?
Yep.
Incorrect. I know what I'm thinking when I post, you do not.
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Coaches make mistakes
Agree with this.
So I'm not quite sure what we're debating. I never implied the coaches were perfect.
What I said was they know what they're doing and get paid a lot to do as such. But they are human too.
The Ole Miss game in '09, 1/9, just a couple of examples.
That's all I was saying. Fair enough?
Posted on 9/11/12 at 1:47 am to AlwysATgr
quote:If you're not a trial attorney, you should be! I'd hate to argue with you!
AlwysATgr
Posted on 9/11/12 at 2:01 am to la_birdman
Birdman, I was just replying to your post: "Another fan that knows more than the actual coaches..... awesome." I guess I misunderstood - my apologies.
You bet.
We're all a bunch of crazy Tiger fans in our element now and enjoying it.
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Fair enough?
You bet.
We're all a bunch of crazy Tiger fans in our element now and enjoying it.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 2:22 am to AlwysATgr
Posted on 9/11/12 at 6:59 am to banone74
They came to LSU to play football. If they want to get post season honors they need stats. Its a contact sport.
As Bear Bryant told a critical fan, "when you get your team you can play anyone you desire".
As Bear Bryant told a critical fan, "when you get your team you can play anyone you desire".
Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:43 am to la_birdman
Props to Birdman, AlwysTgr, & bhtigerfan for the lively discussion. I was looking for opinions on subject that many disagree on. And for the record, I don't slob on Saban's knob. Another poster brought up the McAaron thing. I had no clue how late he was in game, but since it was brought up I thought it was a valid point. Hope you guys have a blessed day 
Posted on 9/11/12 at 8:22 am to roygu
quote:Okay, I'm going to take a cue from AlwysATgr and try to speak rationally and articulate my position on this particular matter without insulting those who disagree. Here we go.
They came to LSU to play football. If they want to get post season honors they need stats. Its a contact sport. As Bear Bryant told a critical fan, "when you get your team you can play anyone you desire".
The above statement seems devoid of consideration for the health and well being of the student athletes who give so much of their time and effort to represent their perspective universities. Anyone who's ever played or watched football knows its a "contact sport" and that players risk injury on every play and in practice. That still does not exempt coaches from making common sense decisions regarding limiting their playing time in "blowout wins" or losses. In fact, it is their duty and responsibility to try to limit unnecessary injuries to their players by sitting them in such situations to minimize that risk. Does anyone really think it's necessary and prudent to have your starting quarterback still playing in the fourth quarter while up 34-0?
And Bear Bryant was an a-hole.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 8:31 am to bhtigerfan
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in such situations to minimize that risk. Does anyone really think it's necessary and prudent to have your starting quarterback still playing in the fourth quarter while up 34-0?
It's a great idea.
Signed,
Matt Mauck, 2002
Posted on 9/11/12 at 8:38 am to banone74
Not stupid. Need to get ready for a full game with better teams so they need to stay in so they can finish. Good coaches do this.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 8:57 am to Bobby Moore
I'm not necessarily talking about Mett this past game Bobby. I agree he needs the reps, but how can Saban justify leaving McCarren in the game up 35-0? He would have shite himself if McCarren would have gotten injured on one of those sacks. Do you really think he needs the reps?
Posted on 9/11/12 at 9:09 am to bhtigerfan
The mistake you're making is that instead of weighing the pros, of the decision to keep playing the starters, against the cons, you are weighing the cons against nothing. Good coaches take these injury risks to get more reps and get better. It's a gamble. All I'm saying is that the two best coaches in all of football are doing it, so...
Remember, if he didn't play these guys the extra snaps he'd still be gambling. Only this time, the gamble would be that without those extra snaps his guys would be good enough to win when the competition is toughest.
Remember, if he didn't play these guys the extra snaps he'd still be gambling. Only this time, the gamble would be that without those extra snaps his guys would be good enough to win when the competition is toughest.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 9:16 am to Penrod
I still don't agree with it. Do you really think that if McCarren would have gotten a season ending injury in the fourth quarter up 35-0, that Saban would not have regretted, at least to himself, that he should have pulled him earlier?
Posted on 9/11/12 at 9:17 am to bhtigerfan
quote:Devoid of consideration for the health....
The above statement seems devoid of consideration for the health and well being of the student athletes who give so much of their time and effort to represent their perspective universities. Anyone who's ever played or watched football knows its a "contact sport" and that players risk injury on every play and in practice. That still does not exempt coaches from making common sense decisions regarding limiting their playing time in "blowout wins" or losses. In fact, it is their duty and responsibility to try to limit unnecessary injuries to their players by sitting them in such situations to minimize that risk
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