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Its not the plan its execution

Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Jeffreylebowski
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:11 pm
The fact that our plan is solid and that more efficiency/execution is needed is the typical line that CLM spouts out in response to lack of production. We all agree the the formations, plans, play calls have been bad, but isn't the fact that LSU players have suffered from a lack of execution for almost 5 years now an even bigger indictment?

I wonder why know one ever brings this up. I agree the offensive strategy has been underwhelming, but to me if it is an "execution" problem then the HC is confirming the criticism.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79697 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:15 pm to
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Its not the plan its execution


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Jeffreylebowski


Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
6646 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:16 pm to
If you look at our pass plays, there's always someone open. Maybe a TE down the seam, maybe a RB in the flat, maybe Dural gets behind the coverage. I believe Cameron is scheming well enough and setting up some good plays that have not been executed.

In regards to our run plays, yes there are times when we crowd the line with jumbo sets but the o-line is not blocking well regardless of the formation or play.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:16 pm to
It's the plan and the execution (or lack of). The broad scheme is okay, but there is a lot more to it than that or at least should be.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18670 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:17 pm to
If your team is unable to execute the game plan then you have to determine if
A) You aren't playing to your players' strengths
B) Some of your players need to ride the pine
C) The defense is able to prevent you from running your game plan and you need to make adjustments

Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18670 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:19 pm to
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If you look at our pass plays, there's always someone open. Maybe a TE down the seam, maybe a RB in the flat, maybe Dural gets behind the coverage. I believe Cameron is scheming well enough and setting up some good plays that have not been executed.


The problem is that a lot of the two receiver sets run deep routes. If protection breaks down, we don't always have a guy out short to dump the ball off to. It's created a lot of risky passes and sacks.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

isn't the fact that LSU players have suffered from a lack of execution for almost 5 years now an even bigger indictment?


we execute better against lessor teams than teams with similar talent...pretty much the same as any other team in the country.

when running into an 8 man front in the SEC is execution to blame when the play is run into the strength of the defense?

Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
11875 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:22 pm to
It's all about predictability.
The offense's advantage is knowing where the play is going while the defense has to react.
That way, you don't have to execute perfectly every single play to have success.
You force the defense to make a mistake (like a busted coverage) and you are able to get easy wins.

Les just wants to do it the hard way, and when it doesn't work.... there aren't any other ways to explain it away besides executing better.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18670 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:28 pm to
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You force the defense to make a mistake (like a busted coverage) and you are able to get easy wins.


One could argue that many of Fournette's big runs last year were created by the defense stacking the box.

With the safeties in close, you just have to open one hole and Fournette is off to the races. However, that's easier said than done and often leads to a lot of tough runs throughout the game.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4720 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:32 pm to
I think it's obviously execution. You don't score 21 points in one quarter due to a different qb and it not be execution. Same offense, different player, very good production.

The issue isn't scheme. It's the coaches inability to recruit, evaluate, or develop a qb to run the scheme.
Posted by km
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5653 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:34 pm to
Several SEC D coordinators have anonymously stated the ease with which to plan their defensive strategies when playing LSU. Go figure.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
17893 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:35 pm to
Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84900 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:36 pm to
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I think it's obviously execution


That is the point of the OP. If execution of an otherwise solid scheme is why the offense has been abysmal for 6 of the last 8 years, perhaps you should adjust your damn scheme to fit your players.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:37 pm to
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I think it's obviously execution. You don't score 21 points in one quarter due to a different qb and it not be execution. Same offense, different player, very good production.


uh qb is a very important position no?
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10234 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:40 pm to
Go back and watch last weeks game. This offensive line is not very good my fellow tiger fans. They were getting pushed around by JSU. Pass blocking has been a problem for years now.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:41 pm to
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Pass blocking has been a problem for years now


I believe because we don't emphasize passing. If we did it more and from spread formations they would look much better
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18139 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:43 pm to
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With the safeties in close, you just have to open one hole and Fournette is off to the races. However, that's easier said than done and often leads to a lot of tough runs throughout the game.


nope, that's not correct.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32639 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:44 pm to
Ok well the fact the our Oline can't block, best WR doesn't fight for the ball and starting QB couldn't complete a 5 yd pass all reflects on one man. You can blame the execution, the calls, the lack of aggression, or whatever. It's all on the head coach.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84900 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:45 pm to
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I believe because we don't emphasize passing. If we did it more and from spread formations they would look much better


Maybe, but they're not getting beat physically as often as they get beat by communication and protection issues. I don't know if that would change with an insurgence of shotgun plays. In fact, if I'm not mistaken they looked even worse against Wisconsin out of the gun.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10234 posts
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:46 pm to
Yes it's why Les needs to go. Asking a QB to throw to tow wide receivers constantly is just not smart football. Let's see two receivers 4 dbs, shouldn't be hard to figure out.
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