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re: Interesting stat....
Posted on 1/21/14 at 4:54 pm to Bundick71
Posted on 1/21/14 at 4:54 pm to Bundick71
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Posted on 1/21/14 at 4:55 pm to Choupique19
I don't have a great explanation on why we are so out of the norm compared to other programs. I do not think it has anything to do with Miles or the program itself because players would be saying so after they were drafted and most talk about how much they love LSU and Miles. Also, ESPN would have dug up some dirt or at least make something up like they tend to do.
I guess our coaches just need to tell our players they suck and are not NFL ready.
I guess our coaches just need to tell our players they suck and are not NFL ready.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 4:57 pm to tiger4178
quote:You are oblivious.
recruit more guys that'll stay all 4 years?
Recruit the best. Always. Everyone else does. Those players stay. Ours don't. How do you not see a problem with that?
Posted on 1/21/14 at 4:59 pm to Tigerstark
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But...but..but...every school is dealing with this. Its not something specific to LSU..
102 players declared early tvis year
This is something every school is dealing with, it is not something specific to LSU, other than showing how well we recruit and develop
Posted on 1/21/14 at 4:59 pm to Bundick71
Got some haters up in here. Most of these guys were 3 year starters or at least in the rotation for 3 years. Be thankful that they played for LSU and get excited for the next man up. I'll bet none of you whiners get any pussy.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:03 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:But no one deals with it more. And it hasn't been close these two years. That is the issue.
This is something every school is dealing with, it is not something specific to LSU
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:07 pm to ell_13
As has been said numerous times, last season was aberration that drives that number up. This season, LSU is much more inline with the Bamas, etc.
Not to mention, that 18 includes Tyrann Mathieu and Brad Wing, neither were on the team when they declared for the draft.
Not to mention, that 18 includes Tyrann Mathieu and Brad Wing, neither were on the team when they declared for the draft.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:07 pm to Tigerstark
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Why is that?
why are you so afraid to say it?
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:07 pm to JGTiger
Anyone out there have a stat showing that seniors at other schools are more productive in the NFL than our early entrants? 
If not then STFU. We have talent. Our players have the option to leave early and get $ or be effective in the NFL for future $. Other players at weaker teams (most of the NCAA) stay to gain the leverage that our younger guys already have.
If not then STFU. We have talent. Our players have the option to leave early and get $ or be effective in the NFL for future $. Other players at weaker teams (most of the NCAA) stay to gain the leverage that our younger guys already have.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:11 pm to ell_13
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Recruit the best. Always. Everyone else does. Those players stay.
probably 80-85% of FBS schools don't recruit at the level LSU does. And only a few are using forced attrition to keep bringing in large classes, that is part of the problem. Bama does it as well and their early departures are trending up as well.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:14 pm to ell_13
Last year was a rough year. This year was pretty normal. People only talk about the last two years because this year's early entry list isn't earth shattering
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:18 pm to ell_13
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You are oblivious. Recruit the best. Always. Everyone else does. Those players stay. Ours don't. How do you not see a problem with that?
As the links clearly show, Louisiana, obviously LSU's main source of talent, produces more NFL talent than any other state percapita. LSU has been at or near the top of alumni in tNFL for years now as well.
Its pretty damn simple, a lot of players come to LSU in hopes of making tNFL. Do some make poor decisions by leaving early?...of course but that's their decision. LM has gone on record stating he only advises those that are sure first rounders to do so.
There may be a lot of social/ecomomic factors at play that many are not aware of as well...ie the chance of NFL riches is just too tempting to pass up.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:18 pm to Bundick71
Well, I think its obvious. All the nega-tigers are making our athletes want to leave early. Only possible reason. For shame.
The rant hates LSU
The rant hates LSU
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:21 pm to Tigerstark
LSU lost a very unusually large amount of players to the 2013 draft. Any time interval that includes that year will always make LSU seem way ahead of the pack, but 2014 was more in line with other schools (Alabama, Cal, Florida State, Notre Dame, South Carolina all lost 4 or more).
As for why LSU has lost so many:
Part of the reason is that LSU has more really good players than a lot of schools. (Mingo (1), Reid (2), Minter (3), Beckham (4), Landry (5), Hill (6))(this one isn't a bad thing)
Part of the reason is that LSU seems to be the only school to consistently lose backup runningbacks (Ware (7), Ford (8), Blue(9))(odd, but not sure this is really a bad thing either, says a lot about the talent of our starters and of our backups)
Where LSU could really improve is convincing guys projected in the middle rounds to come back and try to get to the big money (worked with Collins, didn't with Logan (10), Montgomery (11), Ferguson (12) or Johnson(13))
There were a couple of guys who seemed to just want whatever $ they could get as soon as they could get it (Simon (14), Turner (15), Faulk (16) (also injury concerns with Faulk))
Wing (17) shouldn't count since he was not going to be welcome back.
And Mathieu (18) really shouldn't count since he was no longer at LSU when he declared (and hadn't been for a year).
As for why LSU has lost so many:
Part of the reason is that LSU has more really good players than a lot of schools. (Mingo (1), Reid (2), Minter (3), Beckham (4), Landry (5), Hill (6))(this one isn't a bad thing)
Part of the reason is that LSU seems to be the only school to consistently lose backup runningbacks (Ware (7), Ford (8), Blue(9))(odd, but not sure this is really a bad thing either, says a lot about the talent of our starters and of our backups)
Where LSU could really improve is convincing guys projected in the middle rounds to come back and try to get to the big money (worked with Collins, didn't with Logan (10), Montgomery (11), Ferguson (12) or Johnson(13))
There were a couple of guys who seemed to just want whatever $ they could get as soon as they could get it (Simon (14), Turner (15), Faulk (16) (also injury concerns with Faulk))
Wing (17) shouldn't count since he was not going to be welcome back.
And Mathieu (18) really shouldn't count since he was no longer at LSU when he declared (and hadn't been for a year).
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:25 pm to tiger4178
Others pass it up on other teams.
And the per capita argument is laughable when you're talking about teams with the same number of players and the number of LA NFL players who played for other schools.
And the per capita argument is laughable when you're talking about teams with the same number of players and the number of LA NFL players who played for other schools.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:35 pm to ell_13
Why the ? Surely you have a theory? Spit it out...
? Surely you have a theory? Spit it out...
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:39 pm to Bundick71
#s wise, yeah it looks bad. But when you look at who left, its not that bad.
2013
Mingo - 1st round
Reid - 1st round
Minter - 2nd round
Logan - 3rd roud
Mathieu - 3rd round
Montgomery - 3rd round
Simon - 5th round
Ware - 6th round
Ford, Wing, and Faulk - UDFA. Ford and Faulk made teams in preseason. Wing is a punter with off the field issues. And some people say LSU basically told him to go or he wont be on the team anymore. And there are only 1 punter per team, so a total of 32 punters in the NFL. Hard to make it as a punter, especially when you have off the field issues like Wing.
2014
Hill - 1st - 2nd round (top 3 RB on board)
OBJ - 1st - 2nd round
Landry - 2nd - 3rd round
Ego - Mid round pick
Johnson - Mid round pick
Turner - late pick
Along with TM, I only got 17 players. Who else am I missing??
OK but out of the 17 that I accounted for, 9 of them went or are projected to be 3rd round or better. No problem with players leaving that are 3rd round or better picks.
In regards to Ware and Ford, the writing was on the wall. Hill was going to be the guy this past year. If they would have returned, both would have most likely been UDFA. And I think Magee would have moved up on the depth chart too. Both guys would have seen a huge reduction in their carries and PT.
Faulk just tore his ACL and wanted to get treatment from NFL doctors, and get paid to do so. And, before he tore his ACL, he was considered 1 of the top OT prospects in the draft. And is on a team
Why would OBJ and Jarvis return?? Both of their stocks are very high right now. And Metts gone. Returning to play with an inexperienced QB would hurt them more than it would help them.
Hill is a consensus top 3 RB in this draft, and possibly #1 RB taken. Why would he return?? To improve his stock?? Wouldnt help that much. Gurley and Melvin Gordon would both go ahead of him next year. Maybe Yeldon too. His stock wouldnt go up or down, but next years RB class > this years class. He could potentially be a late 1st round pick this year and #1 RB off the board. Next year he would def go mid 2nd - 3rd round due to the other talented RBs most likely coming out.
But you gotta look at the players we sent out. Majority of them are already seeing PT and are big time players for their team. We just went through 1 of the most talented periods in the history of college football. We will have had at least 9 underclassmen players taken in the 1st 3 rounds.
Out of all the 17 players that I listed, the only 2 head scratchers are Simon and Turner. Thats it. If a bunch of random guys were just declaring because they were eligible, even though they most likely wouldnt get drafted, yea I would be more freaked out about this.
And its funny... when OBJ and Jarvis declared everyone praised them and thanked them for their services. But when Freak / Ego / Simon / Faulk did, most people on here just said those guys were making dumb decisions, they should return. Well its not your decision to make. But when underclassmen that do well like Jarvis and OBJ declare its nothing but support. When players like Freak declare, people think its a dumb decision because they "underachieved" according to some people, or they just arent as good as people thought they would be coming out of high school. But you know what they are?? They are good enough to get drafted in the NFL. And thats freaking impressive.
Its annoying when people say " well if i was blah blah blah I would have returned to improve stock". Well 1st of all, theres no guarantee that your stock will improve. You have just as good of a chance to hurt your stock as you do to improve it. Also, risk of injury is huge. Next year, its not guaranteed that you will be drafted. A lot of stuff can happen in a year. But, its guaranteed you will be healthy and drafted this year. Second of all, those are the guys with the talent. Not us. If we were good enough, we would be out there and in their shoes. But were not. So its easy to sit here and criticize a players decision. But were not in their shoes. We never had to make that decisions. If i was a JR and talented enough to get drafted in the top 5 rounds, it would be harder to return to college then it would be to go pro. And, to all the people with blinders on out there, these guys dont want to go to school. They want to get to the NFL as healthy and as young as they possibly can. And with the rookie wage scale, you dont get a big contract on your rookie deal. Its all about the 2nd contract.
And people think these players owe us something and should stay for x amount of years. A fans goal is to win national championships and be great. The goal of players is to get to the NFL. And for some reason a lot of people dont think like that. College is just another stepping stone on these players path to the NFL.
2013
Mingo - 1st round
Reid - 1st round
Minter - 2nd round
Logan - 3rd roud
Mathieu - 3rd round
Montgomery - 3rd round
Simon - 5th round
Ware - 6th round
Ford, Wing, and Faulk - UDFA. Ford and Faulk made teams in preseason. Wing is a punter with off the field issues. And some people say LSU basically told him to go or he wont be on the team anymore. And there are only 1 punter per team, so a total of 32 punters in the NFL. Hard to make it as a punter, especially when you have off the field issues like Wing.
2014
Hill - 1st - 2nd round (top 3 RB on board)
OBJ - 1st - 2nd round
Landry - 2nd - 3rd round
Ego - Mid round pick
Johnson - Mid round pick
Turner - late pick
Along with TM, I only got 17 players. Who else am I missing??
OK but out of the 17 that I accounted for, 9 of them went or are projected to be 3rd round or better. No problem with players leaving that are 3rd round or better picks.
In regards to Ware and Ford, the writing was on the wall. Hill was going to be the guy this past year. If they would have returned, both would have most likely been UDFA. And I think Magee would have moved up on the depth chart too. Both guys would have seen a huge reduction in their carries and PT.
Faulk just tore his ACL and wanted to get treatment from NFL doctors, and get paid to do so. And, before he tore his ACL, he was considered 1 of the top OT prospects in the draft. And is on a team
Why would OBJ and Jarvis return?? Both of their stocks are very high right now. And Metts gone. Returning to play with an inexperienced QB would hurt them more than it would help them.
Hill is a consensus top 3 RB in this draft, and possibly #1 RB taken. Why would he return?? To improve his stock?? Wouldnt help that much. Gurley and Melvin Gordon would both go ahead of him next year. Maybe Yeldon too. His stock wouldnt go up or down, but next years RB class > this years class. He could potentially be a late 1st round pick this year and #1 RB off the board. Next year he would def go mid 2nd - 3rd round due to the other talented RBs most likely coming out.
But you gotta look at the players we sent out. Majority of them are already seeing PT and are big time players for their team. We just went through 1 of the most talented periods in the history of college football. We will have had at least 9 underclassmen players taken in the 1st 3 rounds.
Out of all the 17 players that I listed, the only 2 head scratchers are Simon and Turner. Thats it. If a bunch of random guys were just declaring because they were eligible, even though they most likely wouldnt get drafted, yea I would be more freaked out about this.
And its funny... when OBJ and Jarvis declared everyone praised them and thanked them for their services. But when Freak / Ego / Simon / Faulk did, most people on here just said those guys were making dumb decisions, they should return. Well its not your decision to make. But when underclassmen that do well like Jarvis and OBJ declare its nothing but support. When players like Freak declare, people think its a dumb decision because they "underachieved" according to some people, or they just arent as good as people thought they would be coming out of high school. But you know what they are?? They are good enough to get drafted in the NFL. And thats freaking impressive.
Its annoying when people say " well if i was blah blah blah I would have returned to improve stock". Well 1st of all, theres no guarantee that your stock will improve. You have just as good of a chance to hurt your stock as you do to improve it. Also, risk of injury is huge. Next year, its not guaranteed that you will be drafted. A lot of stuff can happen in a year. But, its guaranteed you will be healthy and drafted this year. Second of all, those are the guys with the talent. Not us. If we were good enough, we would be out there and in their shoes. But were not. So its easy to sit here and criticize a players decision. But were not in their shoes. We never had to make that decisions. If i was a JR and talented enough to get drafted in the top 5 rounds, it would be harder to return to college then it would be to go pro. And, to all the people with blinders on out there, these guys dont want to go to school. They want to get to the NFL as healthy and as young as they possibly can. And with the rookie wage scale, you dont get a big contract on your rookie deal. Its all about the 2nd contract.
And people think these players owe us something and should stay for x amount of years. A fans goal is to win national championships and be great. The goal of players is to get to the NFL. And for some reason a lot of people dont think like that. College is just another stepping stone on these players path to the NFL.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:41 pm to ell_13
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And the per capita argument is laughable when you're talking about teams with the same number of players and the number of LA NFL players who played for other schools.
Or more likely, you don't understand what those numbers mean..
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:42 pm to KG5989
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Along with TM, I only got 17 players. Who else am I missing??
they're counting Blue as well...
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:48 pm to tiger4178
It means top teams recruit here in a state that has less people than Manhattan.
Per capita is a shite stat when you're not talking about LSU, just the state. And Florida, Texas, and California teams don't have 300 players on their team. I understand the numbers and what they mean which is why I know it means nothing to LSU getting top talent and keeping that talent as consistently as other teams who get the same caliber players.
Per capita is a shite stat when you're not talking about LSU, just the state. And Florida, Texas, and California teams don't have 300 players on their team. I understand the numbers and what they mean which is why I know it means nothing to LSU getting top talent and keeping that talent as consistently as other teams who get the same caliber players.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 5:50 pm
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