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re: I'm hoping Miles doesn't regret using JJ all game for BCSNCG

Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:21 am to
Posted by mmtsanders
Member since Nov 2011
275 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:21 am to
what's wrong with just saying JJ is the starting QB and we have 2 backup QB if we need to call on them. Real simple and then we won't have the media asking the same question every week, therefore, no tiger rant.

BATON ROUGE — I knew Les Miles was a unique guy in my very first exclusive interview with him just a few days after he got the LSU football head coaching job in January of 2005.

He said he would be "deceptively honest" with matters concerning his team, particularly injuries, personnel decisions and other items with regard to strategy.

In other words, he was saying he was going to lie, but at least he was being honest about it.
That's cool. He has consistently been deceptively honest throughout his very successful run with the Tigers.

Often, I look at him closely during a press conference, which is his favorite venue at which to play with the truth.

After a particularly deceptive comment, I keep my eye on him for a moment not unlike the way Larry David eyeballs someone and tilts his head back and forth when he is suspicious in "Curb Your Enthusiasm" — the greatest TV show known to man.
And every now and then, Miles will wink. This is his subtle way of admitting he just tried to get you.

Miles never blinked or winked during his press conference Saturday night after the No. 1 Tigers went to 10-0 with a 42-9 victory over Western Kentucky.

But this was one press conference that needed Larry David in the front row.

Miles was being "deceptively honest" like it was going out of style when the subject turned to the starting and playing of quarterback Jordan Jefferson over established high quality starter Jarrett Lee for most of the game.

"It was kind of a game decision," Miles said, which means the decision was not made until the day of the game.

This may be true because LSU's sports information office said an hour before the game that Lee would start. Tiger Stadium's public address announcer listed Lee as the starting quarterback moments before the game to a loud ovation when he announced other starters. So it would follow that Miles pulled the trigger to start Jefferson moments before LSU's first possession.

After the game, one of the hosts of an LSU postgame show reported that Lee's lack of playing time against Western Kentucky may have been because of academic reasons, such as missing a class or not doing well on a test. Well then, that class or test must have been on Saturday morning because signs pointed to Lee starting until just before LSU ran out onto the field for its first possession. Lee has no classes on Saturdays.

And please, if Miles benched every player over the last seven seasons who missed a class or flubbed a test in game week, his lineup would have had more different starters than Jerry had date interests in "Seinfeld." Either that, or Miles is really searching for any reason start Jefferson over Lee.

But later Miles explained the decision to start Jefferson in this way. "It was more back end of the week," he said. "Just kind of felt like maybe even Thursday or Friday that that's the way we'd go." That would follow with the Lee academic story. Unfortunately, Miles just contradicted himself. Was it day of game or late in the week?
That's the tough thing about being "deceptively honest." It's hard keeping all the deception and honesty straight.

Then Miles said that the original plan was to insert Lee by the third series at the earliest.
"But Western Kentucky kind of proved to throw some wrinkles at us that we didn't necessarily anticipate and felt like we needed to iron out first," he said. "They came after it a little bit more early in the game. It was a little bit more blitz. And we liked Jefferson in there in that situation for ball security and his mobility."
Nevermind that Jefferson fumbled for the second time this season in the game, and his intentional grounding in his own end zone garnered a safety and could have been ruled a fumble. But that's beside the point. What Miles is saying here is that he and his coaching staff is letting a 41-point underdog with 60th defense in the nation dictate which quarterback the No. 1 team in the nation plays! Please.

Do you ever notice that when someone is lying, he or she is just full of explanations. That's because they're selling. The truth is always much simpler and needs no campaign. Lies have to be sold.

Miles was selling his decision to start Jefferson over the SEC's No. 2 quarterback in passing efficiency and play him until the game was in mop-up mode because he had no real good, truthful reason in which to play Jefferson over Lee. Other than the fact that he just wanted to play Jefferson over Lee, that is. He should have just said that and left it at that. That would have been true. And he has that right. He is a hugely successful coach who just happens to have LSU 10-0 for the first time since 1958 and on the verge of winning a third national title in nine seasons.
It's obvious Miles favors Jefferson for whatever reason. Lee outplayed Jefferson in the Tennessee and Florida games last year when Jefferson was playing consistently awful for most of last season up to that point, and Lee never got a start. Jefferson outplayed Lee in one game this season after Lee was playing better than any quarterback in the SEC except for that one game, and Jefferson gets the next start? In the end, neither is much better than the other at passing or running, so it comes down to performance this season. That's Lee clearly.

The truth about LSU's quarterbacks is out there. We just may never know it. Miles is so deceptively honest, it sounds like he's deceiving himself. In the end, none of this may matter at all.

If LSU wins the national championship, it will win it like it beat Alabama — with defense, a good running game and some passes here and there from whichever quarterback.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 2:33 am to
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BATON ROUGE — I knew Les Miles was a unique guy in my very first exclusive interview with him just a few days after he got the LSU football head coaching job in January of 2005.


I didn't know that I was replying to Glenn Dilbeaux and his crappy writing.

Dude if you are not Guilbleauxs , you are not doing yourself any favors by using him as your source material.

FACTS
1. Les is a paid,proven coach at LSU.
2. He is paid to win and is paid more if he wins
3. He decides who is the QB that will help the team most.
4. He doesn't care to pander to media or listen to advice from fans regarding players, leave alone starters or game plans.
5. GG likes to publish sensationalistic crappy pieces because it gets him eyeballs.

Les is the head coach, just because the fans/media get into their heads that they support one qb or one rb over another , doesn't mean squat to him and he is under no obligation to say anything about any player or games.

He is perhaps asked to answer the media (written into the contracts maybe) after or before the games. Even after seeing JJ as the starter on the field for the past few games, if folks ask the coach again and again "who is the starter" and "when will lee play", the only polite/non-committal answer Les can give is the one that he gives all the time.

If after 7 years you are still angst ridden over Les' answers, then perhaps you are just extremely naive to the point of foolishness and only exacerbating your painful situation.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 2:35 am
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68834 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:23 am to
If miles has stuck with JJ no matter what, then why have i seen Lee play? Unless Jordan can change his skin color and then put a jersey on with the name lee, im pretty sure that means miles hasnt stuck with JJ no matter what.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 5:33 am
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68834 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:31 am to
hey big head, what does delhomme and ditka have anything to do with this? delhomme also rode the bench under haslett. The guy getting paid will make the devisions. Deal with it. If the head coach continued to make bad decisiins, then he will get fired. Im also pretty sure fox is winning with a terrible qb now, similar to when he was at carolina.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 5:35 am
Posted by Armymann50
Playing with my
Member since Sep 2011
17119 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 6:10 am to
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34 more days of this shite


Sabadical time.
Posted by demLSUgirlz
TigerVille
Member since Nov 2011
175 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 7:54 am to
didn't read. But I would like to say this. Leave our coach alone! My guess is he knows way better than you do. Well, not really a guess its FACT. If u can't be a Tiger fan without bitching ~ go to UGA or something..because we don't need fair weather fans here in Tiger land.
Posted by LSUviaCincy
Cincinnati
Member since Sep 2011
874 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:18 am to
The level of spoiled fans on this rant just made me throw up in my mouth. I like JL bu when Hightower knocked him 8 yards backwards on his butt his eyes were as big as saucers. He threw two picks and had decided before he saw the coverage who he was throwing to. Les was not going to lose this game again to turnovers like the OT game in 2008. JJ will run those chubby LBs until they are sucking air and they will give up late in 4th quarter.

Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:22 am to
What are the choices? I assume that CLM understands the personnel on the team much more than do any of us. I think that Mr. Lee is a much better passer, but something seems to rattle him from time to time and he makes horrible decisions. Mr. Jefferson usually makes bad passing decisions after the first read and often horrible throws.

I hope the read option works like a charm. Maybe Mr. Jefferson can make some short passes to the tight ends or a back on the slow 'Bama linebackers.
Posted by msully
Nashville
Member since Aug 2011
1051 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:29 am to
he was confused in the 1st half you need to watch JJ's eyes . I would think that Saban saw this , and we know Bama can hang in there for 60 minuites . JJ will be throwing more passes into the turf agains bama .JJ will not have a place to run , then what we will do. Odds are Bama will score 2 TD's , we did not and we will not get to Bama's QB to the point he feels rushed or worried . JJ will feel pressure the whole game .It depends on how JJ handles the Saban Pressure . We do know that Saban will go after our QB . We know Saban !!!
GEAUX TIGERS
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 8:34 am
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6881 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:31 am to
quote:

Leave our coach alone! My guess is he knows way better than you do. Well, not really a guess its FACT. If u can't be a Tiger fan without bitching ~ go to UGA or something..because we don't need fair weather fans here in Tiger land.


This is a message board for debate and conversation. The same guy who started the thread probably cheers his arse off at games. But he found a topic he thought was worth discussing.

If everyone were to agree with everything Re: LSU Football, the Rant wouldn't exist, it would be composed of threads with nothing but .
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:45 am to
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he was confused in the 1st half you need to watch JJ's eyes . I would think that Saban saw this , and we know Bama can hang in there for 60 minuites .


Agreed. I'm sure we are coming up with a gameplan in which we try not to be a past first team, which is what they tried against Georgia in the first half, and not have JJ confused.

quote:

JJ will not have a place to run , then what we will do.


He will have some opportunities on the option. Their linebackers are not going to be any faster.

quote:

Odds are Bama will score 2 TD's


As they did in the first game? They seemed to have a lot of problems cracking our defense. Not saying they won't score 2 TD's, but odds are against them.

quote:

we did not and we will not get to Bama's QB to the point he feels rushed or worried


You lost me here. He threw a pic in game 1 and had 0 TD's due to the pressure. Also took a sack in OT to take them out of a fairly short field goal range.

JJ is just one player we need to play at his best. This game will not hinge on him throwing for 200 and running for 100 though. We have beaten the shite out of everybody with running it down their throats and throwing a pass here and there to keep them honest. We tried to be different in the first half against Georgia and it failed. We were too conservative against Bama the first time. If we stick to what makes us great, we will win as we are the better team.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:45 am to
quote:

I would think that Saban saw this , and we know Bama can hang in there for 60 minuites . JJ will be throwing more passes into the turf agains bama .JJ will not have a place to run , then what we will do. Odds are Bama will score 2 TD's , we did not and we will not get to Bama's QB to the point he feels rushed or worried . JJ will feel pressure the whole game .It depends on how JJ handles the Saban Pressure . We do know that Saban will go after our QB . We know Saban !!!


Yeah - I only wish that we had played the very same Bama team coached by Saban (preferably at BDS) to see how we would fare with the very same team that we have now
Posted by Larry Hollins
Member since Jul 2009
1545 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:48 am to
you guys are paying too much attention to the offense. lm looks at the entire team and how the offense fits into the entire team. we are not trying to be arky or a high octane offense. lm know we have the best defense in the country and the best combination of field goal kickers/ punter in the country. combine that with an occasional punt return and defensive td and you are an undefeated team.

LM KNOWS THAT AS LONG AS WE DON'T COMMIT TURNOVERS THERE IS NO TEAM IN THE COUNTRY THAT CAN BEAT OUR "TEAM". TEAM EMPHASIZED.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9351 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 9:39 am to
I swear....it's like 5 men and a little JJ. If people want to discuss this QB thing, you've got a handful of the same posters that have raised and protected JJ for 4 years that will come in to a thread and insult you, and call you names like over protective parents. If you don't like the thread, GTFO! If you want to discuss it, then discuss with FACTS. This is the free open internet in America, not China. This "Les is 13-0, you are a bad LSU fan, shut up and enjoy". "Les is the coach and is undefeated, so he knows more than you!" These type of quotes are from people that look at the score and say "yay, we won" , and go brag to the neighbor. Some of us analyze "why" things happen win or lose...The fact is that the QB situation is freaking weird. There is something behind the scenes going on. JayJay is not that much better, if at all, to warrant what has happened for the last 3 years.


Well right now you could put a janitor in there and win against SOME of these teams due to the 5 RBs, special teams, and defensive play.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 9:55 am to
quote:

The fact is that the QB situation is freaking weird. There is something behind the scenes going on. JayJay is not that much better, if at all, to warrant what has happened for the last 3 years.



There is nothing weird going on : it is quite apparent that neither JJ nor Lee have shown themselves to be very good QBs.
Les picked JJ because he felt that he was the better choice amongst the two (probably by not much)
JJ got into trouble and Lee got a chance.
Now JJ is back and Lee is once again a backup.

This factoid is difficult to comprehend or be accepted by the fans/media.

JL seems to have better passing game and JJ has a better running game - Les seems to prefer the latter.
Folks seem to think there is some deeper reason or behind the scenes stuff as to why JL is not playing - there is none.
JJ was the starter and now has claimed his spot again because Les likes an option running QB.

Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 9:57 am to
quote:

The fact is that the QB situation is freaking weird


Thats one way to put it.

Bottom line is JJ is LM's guy.
I just wish Les would quit with the bullshite answers when asked questions about it.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41292 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:00 am to
quote:

Bottom line is JJ is LM's guy


Yes and the outcry because of it is ridiculous. Every coach has their "guy". SOME lsu fans think this is a new concept.

quote:

I just wish Les would quit with the bullshite answers when asked questions about it.



In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter what he says.

Posted by pointman
new orleans
Member since Dec 2010
2734 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:03 am to
Our passing game has gone to shite since JJ took over.
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
15650 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:06 am to
quote:

LSU won't need a passing game to beat Bama.
Dream on!!!!
Posted by demLSUgirlz
TigerVille
Member since Nov 2011
175 posts
Posted on 12/7/11 at 10:09 am to
quote:

This is a message board for debate and conversation
~ and there should be NO DEBATE on how or why CLM makes his decisions. Quit with the JL/JJ stuff please!! it makes no difference other than people hating on other players, which to me is a reason for DEBATE.
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