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re: If y’all beat Bama, is all forgiven with Coach Eaux?

Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:30 am to
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:30 am to
Absolutely. But say they did and didn't make the playoff. This season will be a gigantic what if and will always be remembered as the year we lost to Troy.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12268 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:31 am to
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You're seriously asking why would anyone care about one of the worst losses in LSU history, certainly the worst loss of the past 20 years?


Yes. It would have been en route to one of the best starts to a coach's career at LSU. It would be one game in a season that resulted in an SEC West title and a shot on the SEC Championship, a New Year's 6 Bowl, and maybe even the playoffs depending on how the rest of the conferences shake out.

Why would I give a frick if we lost to Little Sister Mary's of the Poor if that meant we won the SEC? If that meant we won the Sugar Bowl? If that meant we finally got the Bama monkey off our back? If that meant that future recruiting classes wouldn't look at LSU and think, "Yeah, but they can't beat Bama." Are you fricking serious? I wouldn't give a single frick about the loss to Troy. Hell, if we beat Bama, I think most people would look back at the game and say it was the galvanizing moment for a team that hadn't bought in, that wasn't living up to its potential, and that needed to be reminded that no one will roll over because of the letters on your helmet.
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5541 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:31 am to
1. O didn’t hire himself. He isn’t to blame. Alleva is.

2. A W v Bama doesn’t change the fact that O isn’t a HC capable of winning championships.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:32 am to
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my greatest fear is that we get a beat down and follow it up with the Arkansas hangover loss



No, what would be infinitely worse is if we somehow beat Bama, then follow that with a hangover, let down, trap game loss to Arkansas. Then have to watch bama win another SEC Championship and go to the playoff.

I want to beat Bama, but I also want it to mean something when the season is over.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:42 am to
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Do you remember the lose to UAB .who was the Coach...



I wish people would stop bringing this up until O actually wins something significant.

Yes, Saban had a couple bad losses in his career. He laso had a resume of success at other places before those losses happened. O does not, so stop comparing the 2. You just look like fools.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:44 am to
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you understand we don’t control our own destiny because we lost to Troy right?



We do as far as winning the SEC goes.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:46 am to
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You're seriously asking why would anyone care about one of the worst losses in LSU history, certainly the worst loss of the past 20 years?


Especially when, in that scenario, THAT loss would keep us out of the playoff.
Posted by StupidBinder
Jawja
Member since Oct 2017
6392 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:46 am to
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No, what would be infinitely worse is if we somehow beat Bama, then follow that with a hangover, let down, trap game loss to Arkansas. Then have to watch bama win another SEC Championship and go to the playoff. I want to beat Bama, but I also want it to mean something when the season is over.


This X100.

Which is why no one should be changing their position on O in the event of a win agains Bama. There’s still a possibility that win could ultimately become meaningless.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
18973 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:51 am to
"A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward."

Stannis Baratheon

Cut off his fingertips for losing to Troy. Give him a knighthood if he beats Alabama.

Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14550 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:04 pm to
I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but last season Troy played Clemson, the eventual national champ in Clemson and lost by only 6 points. Later in the season Troy loses to Arkansas State 35-3. Go figure. Troy racked up 384 yards on Clemson's DC who won coordinator of the year.

I'm not excusing the loss. It sucked, but the above illustrates how crazy CFB can be sometimes.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:05 pm to
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Which is why no one should be changing their position on O in the event of a win agains Bama. There’s still a possibility that win could ultimately become meaningless.


I don't know why it's so important for a certain segment of this fanbase to get others to once and for all declare support for Orgeron. The job he signed up for means that he's evaluated on an ongoing basis.

He doesn't have any kind of long term grace period until he wins a NC, same as any other coach in the country.
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
9821 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:12 pm to
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BigSlick



Awesome post.

You probably won't get many replies though. Hits too close to home for the majority on here. That, or it wasn't seen. In case the latter is true....


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I understand complaining about the stink. Any fan of any team is unhappy if it doesn't perform as expected.

I get that the MSU loss shouldn't have been as bad, although I don't think they could have won that game with the roster issues they were dealing with. I get that LSU should "never" lose to Troy, even with a young, depleted roster. (But a 99% chance of winning still means the other guys win one in a hundred.) However, even the greatest coaches lose games they shouldn't, especially when they haven't had time to get their programs running the way they want or in down cycles or when everything goes wrong (Fisher this year).

But why are you, or anyone else, entitled to anything? Maybe you have season's tickets; maybe you contribute to TAF; maybe you go to a game once in a while; maybe you just watch on TV. Why does any of that entitle you to anything? Do you have a contract with the school or athletic department that guarantees you certain performance goals each year?

Sorry, but you are not "entitled with the years of top 10 recruiting on this team not to be crushed by Mississippi State and embarrassed by a fricking SBC Troy." No fan of any team is entitled to anything except the right to complain if you don't like what you're seeing. You can do that all you want, but objective fans will try to understand the causes before they just start spewing bile.

Saban himself was just recently quoted as saying that it sometimes takes a game like Troy to wake a team up. And it doesn't matter who's coaching or what he tried to do.

People must live a pretty charmed life if they expect everything to always work out the way they want. It must be nice to have never been beaten up by life and had to learn that things don't always go as planned. It must be nice to live in fantasyland where nothing ever goes wrong and you can always blame someone for not giving you what you want.



Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:15 pm to
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entitled to anything?


For the same reason when you go to a restaurant and spend $25-50 on a meal you are entitled to get a meal that isn't slop. What you are saying is that LSU shouldn't be held accountable by the people of this state or fans of the program if LSU shits in their bed.

I want to work for you if you are not entitled to judge my performance.

We get what accept or what we demand. I refuse to accept a loss to Troy, but you can.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67526 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:18 pm to
That would be great but that loss isn’t going away and if you can beat Bama and win out there isn’t an excuse not to make the CFP because you lost to Troy

That loss isn’t going to go away.
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7027 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:21 pm to
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The Rant will never accept Orgeron no matter what he does.


I believe there's a portion of the rant that fits in this category, but it goes with the job title. There was a portion of the rant that never accepted Miles, no matter what he did.

Coach o isn't going through anything that Miles (and coaches before Miles) didn't go through. It is what it is.
Posted by km
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5653 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:26 pm to
We demand coaches who have already lost 4 games and probably 2 more each:

Jimbo Fisher
Tom Herman

This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 1:26 pm
Posted by JambalayaAintAllThat
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
210 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:38 pm to
NO
Posted by BigSlick
No Idea
Member since Jan 2013
1169 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:49 pm to
You don't get it.

I'm not saying LSU shouldn't be held accountable. If the product isn't satisfactory, the fan base can certainly complain about it and express a collective desire to see better.

If you work for me (by the way, people do), I will certainly judge your performance and treat you accordingly...because I'm entitled to get what I pay for. Does LSU work for you?

If you order a meal, you are expected to pay for it. In exchange, you are entitled to get your money's worth. Are you ordering performance from LSU?

The people I was complaining about are those who believe they're entitled to get something for nothing. "I like LSU so I'm entitled to see them win." What have they done to deserve it?

What right do you have to demand a certain number of wins? Why are you entitled to a given record? Why are you entitled to demand anything? Just because you want it? Is any of your money going to LSU, whether directly from tickets or indirectly through TAF? Even if it is, do you pay enough for anybody to notice?

I was disappointed and unhappy about the loss to Troy, just like everyone else, but the only thing I'm entitled to as a fan is an effort to improve. I have to accept it, and so do you, because it happened. What else are you going to do, pretend it didn't? You - and the coaches and players - analyze it, figure out why it happened and how to fix it, and move on.

Somebody asked on this board if LSU would have beaten Florida and Auburn if the Troy loss hadn't happened. I have no idea, but would you rather lose to Troy and beat Florida and Auburn, or beat Troy, not realize your problems, and then lose to the other two?

It's easy to say "We get what we...demand," and it certainly sounds good, but it's just hot air without anything to back it up.
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7027 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 1:54 pm to
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I actually had a friend on Facebook say "I'd rather lose with O than win with Miles".


Doesn't surprise me at all.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 2:00 pm to
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I have to accept it


Great, accept what you want, but I don't have to no matter how much you want me to.

quote:

Does LSU work for you


As a tax payer of this state and a tuition payer to LSU, I have a right to my expectations. If you want to have none yourself, do whatever floats your boat.
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