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re: "If BH could just be average...."
Posted on 9/4/15 at 1:20 am to Jeffreylebowski
Posted on 9/4/15 at 1:20 am to Jeffreylebowski
Auburn wanted him because of the offense he played in in high school...the read option. I think a lot of Harris's problems are due to the fact that he is built for and would play better in a spread type offense.
If LSU changes their philosophy to fit what he can do I think LSU will be very dangerous this year.
If LSU changes their philosophy to fit what he can do I think LSU will be very dangerous this year.
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
It's not like LSU has this big illustrious history with QBs though? So it's very possible that a sophomore starts that history this year. Especially with Cam as his coach and coordinator! I believe this is the reason Cam was brought here to start a rich history of LSU QBs to go along with our great history of backs and defense. We've had good QBs but never great ones and surely not a streak of them. I believe Cam and Miles want to change that and will starting this year. I'm not saying it WILL happen but it most certainly could if BH gets better every week and the passing plays are called to make it happen. Everyone has seen the kid throw the ball and he can throw a football just as good or better than any QB I've seen since 97. He's also just as or more athletic than any since too. Combined and you have one of the best QBs in LSU history here right now. Some people are just not used to it and can't see it. This guy has some dang talent!!! Hell just messing around last year you could see how great he could be so if it comes together for him he's going to be a force w/ the weapons we have. Cam will slowly bring him on and I think by the middle to end of the season they will be talking about awards for BH if not this year going into next. Go Tigers!
Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:27 am to DannyB
LSU isn't going to change their philosophy and LSU will be dangerous regardless. Everyone can see it but are just hoping it's doesn't come to fruition. With the OL we have which I think is the best since Miles has been here when you include the depth by far the best. Our WRs were beat up pretty good LY and learned some hard lessons, add coach ball to the mix and you will see a totally diff WR core this year. More aggressive to the ball and see them play the scammble drill much better. Then you have our big tail backs to go blow for blow, TEs that are finally ready to make a major impact. This team is gonna be much better than LY and will compete fiercely in every game. I think the Mcneese game will open some eyes when we accidentally score 50 points on them. Lol good luck this year though.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 6:11 am to Datbayoubengal
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Jordan Jefferson, the guy so many people think sucks, put up nearly 2200 passing yards and 17 TDs with awful support around him (minus LaFell and Toliver), as a true sophomore in less than 12 games. You don't think a guy as talented as Harris couldn't do better with a talent overload and experienced squad around him?
Yes it's possible but that's asking Harris to have more passing yards per game than Flynn did in 2007.
It's not that I don't think Harris has the talent to do it. It's that our scheme keeps qbs from having any chance of the huge passing seasons you see today in cfb. We just don't run enough plays.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 6:14 am to Datbayoubengal
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You're pretty much saying that he's going to do slightly worse than Jefferson
And you're saying he is gonna be better than 5th year senior Flynn.
If Harris has a slightly better season than JJ'S 2009 season (the 10 best passing season in lsu history) it will be a successful season. With our running game Harris won't have the chance to have Mett or JRUSS type season.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 6:16 am to BayouBengal99
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It's not like LSU has this big illustrious history with QBs though?
Since 1970 no sec program has had more qbs drafted than lsu.
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We've had good QBs but never great ones
What? JRUSS and Mett were great college qbs. What do you consider great? Tebow, Manziel and Cam? Those are once in a decade qbs for teams that run HUNH. While Miles is here our offense will never run enough plays to even get close to those #s
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 6:44 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 6:59 am to Jeffreylebowski
quote:Yes
The overwhelming opinion is that if BH can just be average that LSU would have a really good season.
quote:-First year as starter.
Why are we not expecting him to be really good?
-History of Miles QB's
-Appearances last year
Kid has potential to be great. But all we need is average smart quarterbacking. If he has a really good season, so much the better.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 7:31 am to LosLobos111
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Something like 61.5 comp pct 8 YPA 2600 yards 20 tds <10 picks couple of rush TDs I'd be very happy
I'd be ok with that as well. Before the summer I had him at 2500 passing 58% 20 TDs 11 ints 400 rushing 5-6 TDs. Now that he has improved and done what he's needed to do, I feel a little more frisky in my predictions.
I love what Miles says about him knowing the things to do before the snap. Knowing what to do after the snap, but right before the throw. The mental aspects. Knowing he doesn't have to make the big throw every time because he has very capable RBs that he can check down too. Hitting the short quick passes like RB and WR screens and quick slants. Hitting guys quick and letting them make a play in open field. Knowing when to take something off the ball, and loved to hear Miles talk about how much more accurate he has gotten. He understands all he really has to be, is a distributor. Let the talented and experienced skill players do the hard work for you.
If the OL has gotten better at pass blocking, I'd love to see him just pick apart a defense. He doesn't even have to run like I predicted he would. Just play like a Teddy Bridgewater. Accurate, efficient, great in the pocket, mobile to avoid most sacks, and scramble for first downs. That would be fun to see right?
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 7:57 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 7:55 am to Rickdaddy4188
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And you're saying he is gonna be better than 5th year senior Flynn.
What in the world do you think Flynn was? Flynn was a pretty average QB.
-56% completion, which only Jennings and 2008 Lee has worse, as a majority of the year starter, in Miles's tenure.
-6.7 ypa, again he actually has the lowest ypa in Miles's tenure as a majority of the year starter
-200.6 passing yards per game, would rank 5th in Miles's 10 year tenure as a majority of the year starter
Oh and FYI, Mett averaged 256.8 passing yards per game.
Listen, I'm trying not to laugh, but you just need to stop. At some point in time, somebody is going to outdo these older LSU QBs. Harris has the best chance with the combination of talent, coaching, system (they want to open up the offense more now that he understands what is going on because he has the tools to make all the throws required in Cam's Air Coryell), OL, WRs, TEs, and RBs.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:08 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 8:52 am to LSU Groupee
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You changing your tone from your excellent call as to Lee's 2011 numbers?
2011 was much more the defense Lee had going for him. Such as, #3 total defense, #2 scoring defense, #2 rush defense, and #4 pass efficiency defense.
Lee was not asked to win games passing the ball. He was asked not hurt the team with his play which he did until he played Alabama.
I never said Lee won games by himself. We had a great D and special teams that both created a lot of turnovers and scoring.
I merely said that Lee's numbers in 2011 were excellent. Sounds like you want me to change "excellent" to another adjective. Uh, ok.
All I really wanted to do with my post was to show Lee's numbers in 2011, which indeed were excellent/very good/really fine/super duper/nifty.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:09 am to BayouBengal99
If LSU is predictable as they have been for the most part over the last several years then the offense, while maybe slightly better, won't be anything special. That's a shame because there are some really talented players on that side of the ball.
No one is saying they have to become some Baylor, Auburn, etc. type offense, but Jesus, I hope stop being so afraid to take even the slightest of risk and quit playing a defacto goal line offense between the 20's. Spread things out a bit an give LF some running lanes. Run some routes that get your great WRs out in space (see the 2nd half of the Wisc at times). Stop being deathly afraid to throw a crossing route over the middle between 7-10 yards. Let your QB be a playmaker rather than just neuter him at the very start by saying "we just want him to manage the game"
All the pieces are there for LSU to be one of the most unpredictable and explosive offenses in the SEC. It's up to Les to be willing to allow it to be so, even if that means a few more "risky" plays during the game.
If Harris is "average", then LSU will probably be a 9-10 win team. But why set "average" as the bar? Let him try to make plays.
No one is saying they have to become some Baylor, Auburn, etc. type offense, but Jesus, I hope stop being so afraid to take even the slightest of risk and quit playing a defacto goal line offense between the 20's. Spread things out a bit an give LF some running lanes. Run some routes that get your great WRs out in space (see the 2nd half of the Wisc at times). Stop being deathly afraid to throw a crossing route over the middle between 7-10 yards. Let your QB be a playmaker rather than just neuter him at the very start by saying "we just want him to manage the game"
All the pieces are there for LSU to be one of the most unpredictable and explosive offenses in the SEC. It's up to Les to be willing to allow it to be so, even if that means a few more "risky" plays during the game.
If Harris is "average", then LSU will probably be a 9-10 win team. But why set "average" as the bar? Let him try to make plays.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:18 am to Jeffreylebowski
quote:So on-field results shouldn't count? Only his potential?
Last year shouldn't weigh one bit into the expectations because VERY few True Freshman have good seasons in the SEC IF they even see the field. He's got elite arm strength and is quick. If he hits, look out.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:26 am to goldenbadger08
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So on-field results shouldn't count? Only his potential?
Of course not dumazz, but you have to at least look at the contributing factors that lead to his on-field performance last year.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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and 2 of those QBs were saban's recruits developed by saban's OC
I hate to break the news to you, but Nick's influence with the decision making process at LSU ended bout 12/04. The OC beginning with the 05 season was the OC cause Miles picked him to be his OC. Making all development/results directly related to the decisions of LM and no one else.
But the idea you see the , 05-07, OC at LSU as being "saban's OC" is both amusing and telling as to your agenda.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 10:03 am to Lonnie4LSU
When is the last time LSU had an average quarterback? They seem to either be exceptional (Mettenberger, Jamarcus), or horrendous (no need to mention names).
Maybe Marcus Randall?
Maybe Marcus Randall?
Posted on 9/4/15 at 11:54 am to LSUtoOmaha
Horrendous is an extreme assessment. I think the only time I would go that far would've been in 2010. 2014 was a disappointing season for our quarterbacks, but I don't think we can assess their talent at this time as for as on the field success will go.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 1:15 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Horrendous is an extreme assessment
Horrendous is in the eye of the beholder. There were time times during the year when this adjective would have been on point.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 1:16 pm to RedTigerRulz
Jennings was horrendous
Posted on 9/4/15 at 2:05 pm to atltiger6487
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Sounds like you want me to change "excellent" to another adjective.
Good would be my adjective.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 2:32 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Oh and FYI, Mett averaged 256.8 passing yards per game
Lol. Our entire team had 251 yards per game passing in 2013.
3082÷13 isn't 256
It's 237.
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Listen, I'm trying not to laugh, but you just need to st
Yeah you should laugh at me for saying a true sophomore with 1 career start is not gonna have one of the best passing seasons in lsu history. Do you fricking read what you post? While Harris has a high ceiling nothing he has ever done points to him having one of the best passing seasons in lsu history. So yeah, I'm using facts about past lsu qbs that were better than Harris has shown to be and you're using an opinion. So laugh all you want.
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