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re: "If BH could just be average...."
Posted on 9/3/15 at 10:21 am to DeltaDoc
Posted on 9/3/15 at 10:21 am to DeltaDoc
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I hope you are correct. I think he can be great. That said, pump the brakes a little...I remember when people were talking about Jordan Jefferson winning the Heisman after one game against Georgia Tech. I also remember many thinking Jennings was going to be a stud after one series against Arkansas. We don't know what we don't know...
Man I want to downvote you for this but unfortuanately your 100% right
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Posted on 9/3/15 at 10:40 am to SportTiger1
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But stop comparing his potential numbers to past LSU seasons that played at least one less games. And many times, 2 or more fewer games.
Yards per game isn't dependant on the amount of games played. Which is what we were talking about.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 12:31 pm to LSU Groupee
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That's the first time I heard excellent used in the same sentence with Lee. They were good numbers, but not excellent.
You can quibble about semantics if you want, but Lee's QB Rating of 152.0 would've put him 19th in the nation in 2011.
ETA: Highest QBR in the SEC in 2011.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 12:35 pm to rmnldr
that notre dame game still bothers me.
had a chance to be one of 3 or so teams with an all time winning record against the irish and blew it.
thanks chavis. miles also shoulda let fournette run the ball more than 13 times or w/e. last game of the year and all.
couldn't get first downs at the end of a game when we needed it. as usual.
had a chance to be one of 3 or so teams with an all time winning record against the irish and blew it.
thanks chavis. miles also shoulda let fournette run the ball more than 13 times or w/e. last game of the year and all.
couldn't get first downs at the end of a game when we needed it. as usual.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 12:53 pm to atltiger6487
highest rated or second highest rated qb in the sec that year, we just didn't have an oline that could pass protect against bama.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 1:38 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Guy, 207 ypg, it's not a lot.
Do you know how many lsu qbs averaged 210 passing yards per game? You can count them on 1 hand.1 hand. We don't run a hurry offense. We don't run a bunch of plays. So yes 210 yards per game is a lot when you rank 105th in offensive plays ran.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:38 pm to Jeffreylebowski
He has elite physical potential, therefore for him to be just average would mean that he somewhat under-achieves. Personally I agree with you, albeit in a bit of a guarded fashion. I believe he will be better than average in the SEC with the potential to be All SEC.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:05 pm to RANDY44
Datbayoubengal, I love reading your posts. Where do you get all of your stats? 
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:10 pm to atltiger6487
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You can quibble about semantics
You changing your tone from your excellent call as to Lee's 2011 numbers? The passing efficiency was very good, but the passing offense under Mr. Lee ranked 102 out of 120 and number eight in the SEC. Our total offense ranked 87. No way the 2011 offense was excellent.
2011 was much more the defense Lee had going for him. Such as, #3 total defense, #2 scoring defense, #2 rush defense, and #4 pass efficiency defense.
Lee was not asked to win games passing the ball. He was asked not hurt the team with his play which he did until he played Alabama.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:10 pm to LSU Groupee
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Our total offense ranked 87
that's solely because of our offensive scheme
We were 7th in the country in points per play and 36th in yards per play.
Total offense is skewed by plays ran. Take our 2013 offense for example. We were 11th in the country in yards per play but we were 105th In plays ran. So that made our totals look average when in fact our 2013 offense was elite.
Offensive and Defensive totals are skewed by plays ran(offense)and TOP (defense).
Yards per play and points per play (offense and defense)are considered pure stats because they arent skewed by anything. They simply show your offensive and defensive success once the ball is snapped.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:47 pm to KingofthePoint
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think he will progress, but more in terms of the mental side. I think if the O-line comes together as expected, we will feed Fournette and friends a lot. Harris won't be asked to do a lot. Look at Jamarcus' numbers in his 2nd year. They are similar to my projections for Harris.
Jefferson had 17 TD passes in less than 12 games with Crowton as his QB/OC, the worst LSU OL in a long time, and zero running game for support. There were even 3 dropped TD passes in the Penn State game. Jennings had 11 TD passes with an all green cast of WRs and only on 227 attempts. I can't honestly believe people think Harris is so bad, or our pass catchers at WR, TE, and RB are so awful that they only get 4 more passing TDs from the hopefully improved starting QB. Maybe if Harris only threw the ball 227 times I can kinda understand, but you are talking about a guy who will throw the ball around 300 or more times.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:48 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Do you know how many lsu qbs averaged 210 passing yards per game? You can count them on 1 hand.1 hand. We don't run a hurry offense. We don't run a bunch of plays. So yes 210 yards per game is a lot when you rank 105th in offensive plays ran.
You are so stuck in the past, it is hilarious.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:54 pm to Datbayoubengal
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You are so stuck in the past, it is hilarious.
For real. Don't know why he can only compare this year to past LSU teams who have never been known for throwing the ball a ton. When Les has a good QB, he's gonna chunk the rock around. If he doesn't, he's going to run the stable of RB's and make the game as short as possible.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 6:27 pm to SportTiger1
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When Les has a good QB, he's gonna chunk the rock around.
I think the word you are looking for is experienced. He's not doing it with a true sophomore with 1 start under his belt.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 6:29 pm to Datbayoubengal
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You are so stuck in the past, it is hilarious.
No I'm stuck in reality. We don't run a huge amount of plays. Our offensive scheme is a ball controlled offense that takes up damn near the entire play clock. Asking a true sophomore to average more passing yards per game than a 5th year senior Flynn is expecting to much.
It's not my opinion that there are very few lsu qbs that averaged more than 200 yards per game passing, IT'S A FACT.
In 2006 Jamarcus Russell had the 2nd best passing attack in lsu history and he averaged 240 yards per game.
Our offensive scheme makes it hard for qb to have a high yard per game number.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 6:36 pm to SportTiger1
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For real. Don't know why he can only compare this year to past LSU teams who have never been known for throwing the ball a ton
Im using yards per game.
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When Les has a good QB, he's gonna chunk the rock around.
Again, even when Miles had Jamarcus Russell(2006), our passing yards per game was 240 yards and yet you think 250 passing yards per game is doable with a 1st year starter that's a true sophomore.
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If he doesn't, he's going to run the stable of RB's and make the game as short as possible.
Which is my point. Our offensive scheme limits the passing yards per game because we don't run a bunch of offensive plays.
In 2014 , lsu was 91st in offensive plays per game. . Im not saying BHarris doesn't have the talent to reach 250 yards per game. I'm saying our scheme will make it very hard.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 6:37 pm to Jeffreylebowski
I have high hopes, but setting expectations too high is setting myself up for a letdown given history. The rest of the talent level is typically high enough to where all we need is average qb play. If we get that I'll be happy. If we get more than that I'll be really happy.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 6:44 pm to SouthernInsanity
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CLM has never been one to give the backup QB playing time in games where they should get it.
This is complete bullshite.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 6:47 pm to Peazey
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high is setting myself up for a letdown given history.
Les Miles has had 3 qbs start in the NFL. what other team in the sec can claim that in the same time frame?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 6:48 pm to goatman1419
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Name one first year starter in the SEC in the last 15 years that was "exceptional". That is that didn't get a ton of playing time the year or years before
tebow (he didn't play much as a QB), newton, and johnny foosball
3 heisman winners
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